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Old 08-07-2018, 10:36 PM   #1
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Hi All! im new to CT, i have just had a disaster on one of my job-sites and instead of lying in bed wandering WTF to do i thought i would talk to some experts, i'm doing a 2 family remodel in somerville, MA and it involved finishing the basement, no big deal i've done a few, only on this job it involved leveling the basement floor, i've leveled plenty of bathroom and kitchen floors with quiklevel, but this basement was so big (800 sq ft)and so uneven i figured it would take 150 bags costing 3k, so i called up a Boston leading concrete company and asked them if they had a self leveling product that i could pour through the window, they said they did and it was called (....flow) have never managed to hear the correct name, anyway it was $500 for 2 cubic yards plus 175 for delivery because small amount. the product arrived..it was a little thicker than i was expecting so the driver added water, that did'nt do much to loosen up, we quickly realized that it was not going to self level, the driver shrugged his shoulders and asked if we had been told it was self leveling to which i replied yes, several times in fact because i myself and my 2 full timers are not skilled with concrete.
i rushed to the hardware store and bought the correct tools to push and level but we were too overwhelmed, to top it off it had some aggregate in it that must of been left over from previous job that prevented us from being able to float it, after 5 hours of trying our best to level and distribute between 6 rooms we retired and went to the pub! the next day i went to assess situation, COMPLETE AND UTTER DISASTER! the floor is like walking on a frozen sea! its 4 inches out from one area to another. completely unexceptable, i have been issued a refund on the concrete but that has little consolation considering with what i am facing. what can i do now? i don't have the height to bring everything up 4 inches to match highest point, i have to dig it out thats almost certain, once ive done that, what are my options and is there a product with an actual name that i can order up and distribute via 1 room? sorry for the lenghty first post.
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Old 08-07-2018, 10:48 PM   #2
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Hi All! im new to CT, i have just had a disaster on one of my job-sites and instead of lying in bed wandering WTF to do i thought i would talk to some experts, i'm doing a 2 family remodel in somerville, MA and it involved finishing the basement, no big deal i've done a few, only on this job it involved leveling the basement floor, i've leveled plenty of bathroom and kitchen floors with quiklevel, but this basement was so big (800 sq ft)and so uneven i figured it would take 150 bags costing 3k, so i called up a Boston leading concrete company and asked them if they had a self leveling product that i could pour through the window, they said they did and it was called (....flow) have never managed to hear the correct name, anyway it was $500 for 2 cubic yards plus 175 for delivery because small amount. the product arrived..it was a little thicker than i was expecting so the driver added water, that did'nt do much to loosen up, we quickly realized that it was not going to self level, the driver shrugged his shoulders and asked if we had been told it was self leveling to which i replied yes, several times in fact because i myself and my 2 full timers are not skilled with concrete.

i rushed to the hardware store and bought the correct tools to push and level but we were too overwhelmed, to top it off it had some aggregate in it that must of been left over from previous job that prevented us from being able to float it, after 5 hours of trying our best to level and distribute between 6 rooms we retired and went to the pub! the next day i went to assess situation, COMPLETE AND UTTER DISASTER! the floor is like walking on a frozen sea! its 4 inches out from one area to another. completely unexceptable, i have been issued a refund on the concrete but that has little consolation considering with what i am facing. what can i do now? i don't have the height to bring everything up 4 inches to match highest point, i have to dig it out thats almost certain, once ive done that, what are my options and is there a product with an actual name that i can order up and distribute via 1 room? sorry for the lenghty first post.


When did you see it had aggregate in it?
When did you notice how thick it was and why did you let him pour out?

You lost control of the job after the first shovel full.


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Holy crap, I hope you and your guys are better at jack hammering than you are at concrete
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This was a first time for me, i didnt see the aggregate until atleast a third into it, im not experienced enough to know that it was not going to do what they said it did. you are correct, in hein sight i never had control of this.
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not looking forward to it but yes the jack hammering is covered!
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Get it quick while it's somewhat green.


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?? im not following
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For gods sakes man , seek the help of a good concrete man
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?? im not following


Are you asking about post 6?


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starting 6am tomorrow its coming out! i know the next 2 days are going to suck large hard boiled eggs if nyone has a good solution for leveling after wards id appreciate, i could sub it out but i had zero budget to do this in the first place, now, after dig out i will be 2k out of pocket plus time we wasted already ;(
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Nothing is really self leveling. Always do your product research!

And for us, take pictures
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starting 6am tomorrow its coming out! i know the next 2 days are going to suck large hard boiled eggs if nyone has a good solution for leveling after wards id appreciate, i could sub it out but i had zero budget to do this in the first place, now, after dig out i will be 2k out of pocket plus time we wasted already ;(
you didn't learn your lesson the first time????

do the demo then hire a pro...

not sure how anybody gets very far in construction and doesn't learn the basics of concrete.
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If you find yourself in a hole.... just dig your way out of it!!

Even I would probably have stopped after the first room!!! But I hope it all works out for you. Sounds like you will have good reason to hit the pub tomorrow after work!!! And yes please post some pics!!! Good luck!
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How could you have zero budget? Did you do it for free? It costs what it costs. Did you really think you could just pour it and it would do all the work? How could you not have the proper tools when you started? Sheesh.

We have all been hosed and caught when doing something new, but it sounds like you didn't even try to minimize the issues. You didn't even know the name of the product, which would have helped in researching the job.

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Stuff like that happens now and then, learn from it.
You may not hear anything about it, but it really impresses a customer when you promptly tear out and properly replace a big screw up like this at your own expense.
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Sometimes you have to pay to educate yourself. This is one of those situations. Its a learning experience that will cost you time and money. Id vote demo yourself and hire a pro to level it.



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How could you have zero budget? Did you do it for free? It costs what it costs. Did you really think you could just pour it and it would do all the work? How could you not have the proper tools when you started? Sheesh.

We have all been hosed and caught when doing something new, but it sounds like you didn't even try to minimize the issues. You didn't even know the name of the product, which would have helped in researching the job.

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He didn't even know what green concrete meant!


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decided to go for the dig out, im half way done! Thanks all
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