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Old 04-09-2018, 07:17 PM   #1
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So, something must exist out there, but not sure what the options are. My parents are finishing up their retirement house and my father is looking at thermostats. I recommended trying to get some wifi enabled programmable thermostats. Problem is, they have 12 zones in the house. I'm thinking there has to be a system setup that can control all zones independently on wifi if they are away. The house is so split up, it doesn't make sense to just have 1 or 2 zones wifi enabled. I don't think enough of the house will heat up if they just kick on those couple zones. The real problem is they didn't do an prior planning for this, so it would have to be added on to what they already have. They are running zone controls off of pex manifolds with Taco controls. Is there something out there that might work? Thanks, Nick.
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Old 04-09-2018, 07:33 PM   #2
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Re: Wifi Enabled Thermostats


a neighbor just asked me this same question but he has 8 zones.

I have a single zone wifi Honeywell in my Oregon house and it works great.

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https://getconnected.honeywell.com/en/evohome

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I just installed a wifi honeywell in my main zone after I got back from vacation. I've had it in the closet for 3 years. I like mine too. Easier to program from my phone than the actual thermostat. thanks for the link. That ad sounded very euro.

Actually, I think it is euro. I started doing a run through and it wanted "pounds", as in $$.

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Sounds like you want some type of wi-fi controlled zone board. 12 Zones? I would call the people at Honeywell to find out what they have for your setup. It's quite irregular. Maybe set it up so there aren't so many zones?
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Tekkmar, they integrated and have a great started for hydronic heating zones.

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12 Zones gives me 12! or ~400,000,000 combinations.....

Zones could be in the basement, or on the North West corner top floor,

Or be completely 'inside' other conditioned spaces...

Maybe some climate change models could be hacked to run their system, waste heat from the data processing would be a significant % of heat needed in winter time and add considerably to the cooling load in the summer times..

12 zones would just about guarantee some where everyday Humidity was "raining" out into a hidden space filled with black mold foodstuffs...as the relative humidity goes up and down past 100%.

A small indoors "greenhouse" and a wet spa to just about promise some water issues.
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Nest works with zoned systems.

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Nest works with zoned systems.
Nest also has temperature sensors for individual rooms.

I have one at home, and use one at my parents house. The issue is it leaves a port open on your router to Nests webserver, leaving the ability for someone to hack you thru Nest. Of course you do not need to put it on the internet, and just loose the option to reprogram remotely.
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It's pretty easy to secure the port.

Not to mention they use some pretty good encryption.
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12 Zones gives me 12! or ~400,000,000 combinations.....



Zones could be in the basement, or on the North West corner top floor,



Or be completely 'inside' other conditioned spaces...



Maybe some climate change models could be hacked to run their system, waste heat from the data processing would be a significant % of heat needed in winter time and add considerably to the cooling load in the summer times..



12 zones would just about guarantee some where everyday Humidity was "raining" out into a hidden space filled with black mold foodstuffs...as the relative humidity goes up and down past 100%.



A small indoors "greenhouse" and a wet spa to just about promise some water issues.


Youíre going to have to try in English please.
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Since they have 12 zones with 12 actual thermostats on the walls, doesnít that mean 12 nest thermostats? Seems excessively pricey. Iíve given up trying to help him. Enough is enough. I did find out National grid does offer pretty good rebates on thermostats here, so he could look into going that route and see what they offer
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Don't work with floor probes though.
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Don't work with floor probes though.
For probes? As in radiant?

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12 zones? Man i love being in a climate a simple heat pump works fine. Lol.

My house is only 2600 living but its a single zone, wifi Honeywell. Works very well
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For probes? As in radiant?

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Yeah, it's nice to have an air temp sensor and floor prob in radient applications....which is what I assume he had.

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Itís all forced hot water baseboard heating.
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12 zones, the International space station might have more, but it is mostly unplanned octopus of containers...

12! is a math symbol representing the # of possibilities of each temp switch w/o considering cooling or humidity......

You'd some sort of temp, wind, humidity sensors and solar output sensors to feed the dedicated CPU to even start to get rational signals to all the the zones.

Working software adjusted to fit local conditions might cost more then the HVAC hardware.

Don't forget the delay of the hot water heat(cooling?)..

Normal habits would allow some pre-warming for the bathrooms, bedrooms, and kitchen, sun room etc.... but what happens when the HO start overriding ground control????

A "wet" spa is hot room with High humidity, opposed to a "dry" spa which is HOT and dry....

A "greenhouse" would be a room in the Manse dedicated to the growth of plants, lots of water and vapour and heat energy to move the water vapour into cooler parts of the home to "Rain" out in some hidden, now rotting wood structural component.

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Youíre overthinking it. The European standard is for every piece of heating unit to have its own control. He isnít even close. Iím sure his thermostats wouldnít have more than a 15 degree temp differential anyway, which Iím sure they wouldnít really achieve seeing as how tight and well insulated the house is.
My opinion is that he wasted money and over complicated the control of the heat in the house. Having moisture issues from this isnít even in the cards.
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12 of these. https://www.beeslighting.com/lutron-...hoCNTgQAvD_BwE

1 of this. https://www.crutchfield.com/p_233SCR...hoCldgQAvD_BwE

And he/they can control all zones from 1 smart phone.

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