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Old 05-08-2017, 08:08 AM   #1
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How Much Is In This System?


The cost of R-22 is CRAZY.

So, you go to a house check out the the issue to find that they are low. Leak is found, and sealed. But the question I have is, how much is in the system?

It may be more practical to reclaim the r-22 and put in the replacement refrigerant. I was just wondering if anybody has a way of getting a good ball park idea of determining if it's better to reclaim and recharge, or just put in the pricey stuff.
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You would need to reclaim and weigh that amount to determin how much to add.

Most replacement refrigerant need a oil change, which is problematic.

This season I will be pushing for replacement instead of repair for machines that have refrigerant issues. Why continue to resist the fact that R22 machines are just too expensive to maintain. 2020 there will be no more made.

You wouldn't expect to see any R12 equipment still in use. At $1000 per pound who would pay that?

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The cost of R-22 is CRAZY.

So, you go to a house check out the the issue to find that they are low. Leak is found, and sealed. But the question I have is, how much is in the system?

It may be more practical to reclaim the r-22 and put in the replacement refrigerant. I was just wondering if anybody has a way of getting a good ball park idea of determining if it's better to reclaim and recharge, or just put in the pricey stuff.
I just top it off, what ever it takes is what it takes.

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You would need to reclaim and weigh that amount to determin how much to add.

Most replacement refrigerant need a oil change, which is problematic.

This season I will be pushing for replacement instead of repair for machines that have refrigerant issues. Why continue to resist the fact that R22 machines are just too expensive to maintain. 2020 there will be no more made.

You wouldn't expect to see any R12 equipment still in use. At $1000 per pound who would pay that?
I still work on a couple R12 systems/units. They still have their own R12 though.
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You would need to reclaim and weigh that amount to determin how much to add.

Most replacement refrigerant need a oil change, which is problematic.

This season I will be pushing for replacement instead of repair for machines that have refrigerant issues. Why continue to resist the fact that R22 machines are just too expensive to maintain. 2020 there will be no more made.

You wouldn't expect to see any R12 equipment still in use. At $1000 per pound who would pay that?
New-22 buys time, I don't mess with the oil. If they say they don't have the money, I take them at their word.... That's with an empty system (not dry charge).

If it's a system that requires, say eight lbs, and there was only 1.5, a refrigerant change is worth considering.
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Anyone take notice that R410A is now double the price it was just a month ago.
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Yes. As a matter of fact, I did. I picked up three jugs, as our supplier was giving us the warning, the other day.
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Could double again before summer is over.
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SMH. Do you know why? I asked our supplier, and I heard something to the extent of a fire. What, is there only one plant that makes this?

Somewhere, I heard something to the extent of them wanting to 86 R-410 in the future, like R-22.
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SMH. Do you know why? I asked our supplier, and I heard something to the extent of a fire. What, is there only one plant that makes this?

Somewhere, I heard something to the extent of them wanting to 86 R-410 in the future, like R-22.
A lot of the R125 came from China, and one of those plants burned down.

R410A has been in phase down for a few years now. It was never intended to be the permanent replacement for R22. Just a short term/intermediate replacement.

DuPont would like to go to R32 as the permanent replacement.

Thee is also a very large tariff tax now paced on R410a imported from china. So now manufacturers in the USA have increased their price on R410A. Why, because they can, and we will buy it.
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A lot of the R125 came from China, and one of those plants burned down.

R410A has been in phase down for a few years now. It was never intended to be the permanent replacement for R22. Just a short term/intermediate replacement.

DuPont would like to go to R32 as the permanent replacement.

Thee is also a very large tariff tax now paced on R410a imported from china. So now manufacturers in the USA have increased their price on R410A. Why, because they can, and we will buy it.
I would hate to be one of those firefighters. Heating that gas leaves an awful taste in the mouth....so, I have been told.
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Nothing like god ole R12. Nice having 34F air coming out of the AC to cool a room down fast.
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R22 has gotten out of control and there is no sign of things changing.
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I have been going the nu-22 route. What is more disturbing is the 410 thing. If they are going to start phasing out R-410 in 2023, might as well keep the old gear and go with nu-22.

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