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Old 01-05-2014, 03:17 PM   #21
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Everything cost 2-3 times as much in Alaska. I have a friend that lives there, a gallon of milk is $15-$20 bucks. Nothing is manufactured there, it all has to be shipped in. With the exception go fish, it's all shipped down here.
We also ride dog sleds to work and live in igloos. and the sun doesn't set or rise ever.


I've lived there for 30 years. Things cost a little more depending on weight and speed required. 5-20%. Shipping is roughly 25 cents a pound from port of Tacoma, so a furnace will cost less than $100 extra to get to Anchorage. The lack of sales tax usually makes up for it.

Milk is indeed expensive, maybe $4 a gallon. Villages with no road access are a different story, but this is all in an area with 400,000 people.
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As someone else mentioned, the devil is in the details. In the future, you may want to warn your folks (or anybody else for that matter), the bigger the advertisement, ods are, the bigger the bill. And, you don't always get what you pay for.
This is correct, in my assessment, with all MEPs.
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We also ride dog sleds to work and live in igloos. and the sun doesn't set or rise ever.


I've lived there for 30 years. Things cost a little more depending on weight and speed required. 5-20%. Shipping is roughly 25 cents a pound from port of Tacoma, so a furnace will cost less than $100 extra to get to Anchorage. The lack of sales tax usually makes up for it.

Milk is indeed expensive, maybe $4 a gallon. Villages with no road access are a different story, but this is all in an area with 400,000 people.
How do you get a ladder rack on a dog sled?
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This is correct, in my assessment, with all MEPs.
yeah, me too. My electrician tells me there's a large nationwide company (Starts with a Mr.) that offered to hire him. Their policy is to bid laughingly high, and 1 in 5 people just accept the price without questioning it.
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Alaska would have a higher price. The running of PVC vent and intake may have been harder then we know. might have had 3 or 4 guys on the job site to get it done for him.

However. If someone can prove that the price was more then they normally charge on a holiday/day after a holiday for this work. Then a court probably won't uphold the contract, as it was signed under duress.
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how do we know that the contractor even knew of the situation and conditions. Maybe to buyer was trying to keep everything professional and not involve personal life. And while yes he may have had his mind other places when signing it doesn't mean the contractor was taking advantage of him. But he could of too I guess.
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I know it might get cold in. Alaska, but, running pvc pipe shouldn't be that much more difficult.

Most clientss don't introduce furnace replacement when things break down. That usually comes from the service tech first.
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I know it might get cold in. Alaska, but, running pvc pipe shouldn't be that much more difficult. Most clientss don't introduce furnace replacement when things break down. That usually comes from the service tech first.
it could have just been an option that the customer chose. Or maybe they have had other problems with furnace recently and had thought about a replacement for a while. Maybe the old one was an older Lennox and needed an expensive board kit for a replacement and it wouldn't arrive for several weeks because of holidays. However it is completely possible too that the tech was just trying to get a sale and maybe overprice it too.
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Wow! To be $10k (even in Alaska) that must have been one heck of a job to install.

I just finished an 80k BTU install, no a/c either. Removed and disposed of an existing 1950‘s beast, installed a new high efficiency furnace, ran all PVC & condensate pump lines, new electrical, and plenum / duct work. All materials =$1400'ish + 2 guys / 1 day labor. I came in at about a quarter of that $10k and still made a decent profit.

I'll be packing for Alaska if that's the going rate!
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My very good friend had a bad Christmas week.

Chronologically:

Mom sent to ICU

Furnace fries its board at -20 degrees.

Dad, son and daughter take shifts manning fireplace and driving back and forth to hospital.

Mom dies Christmas day (survived by her own mother).

Local HVAC contractor installs new condensing furnace and charges more than double what I've ever paid for the same work. 7 hour job, probably made about $1,000 per hour, not on Christmas day. Undoubtedly his dad was a little preoccupied when he saw the price and signed to have the work performed. It emptied his savings.


I'm not in the state, but I'm about ready to fly there and talk to this contractor in person. What would you do?
Sorry to hear about your friends loss...

As the HVAC contractor goes, if he made 7k in hour what was the cost of the whole job?

Because if 7k was the whole job, that wasn't to bad for a HO, especially when it took 7hrs to do the job, not to mention during Holiday season.
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Sorry to hear about your friends loss...

As the HVAC contractor goes, if he made 7k in hour what was the cost of the whole job?

Because if 7k was the whole job, that wasn't to bad for a HO, especially when it took 7hrs to do the job, not to mention during Holiday season.
Read the thread.

1k per hour.

10k total.

So let's say 2k in parts and 8 hours.
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i wonder why they didn't just replace the controller!?! anyway,i think we all agree that the price was high, but it was agreed upon. if the contractor has any spine he may reconsider and lower the price when you call.
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Just a gas condensing (efficient) furnace, like with a condensate pump for the combustion gasses that don't stay as gas and get expelled out the chimney. Not a condenser as in the inside portion of a heat pump. I'm guessing 80,000 BTUs but I'll wait for the invoice.



FWIW, I just had a new gas heat system installed in a rental unit in Oct.

Replaced electric baseboard, so there was nothing there.

Goodman 50,000BTU 95%, flex gas line to the outside for new meter (about 50'), ductwork 6 outlets in flex, 24' main trunk, condensate drain to outside, pan with float switch, PVC intake/exhaust straight up through flat roof.

Cost $5300 and I was po'd because they put the exact same system in the other rental exactly one year earlier for $900 less.

Two men 5 1/2 hrs. Third man helper about 2hrs.
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My hvac guys are putting in 2 70000 btu furnaces with ac coils all ducting for the whole house for 12k
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Wow! To be $10k (even in Alaska) that must have been one heck of a job to install.

I just finished an 80k BTU install, no a/c either. Removed and disposed of an existing 1950‘s beast, installed a new high efficiency furnace, ran all PVC & condensate pump lines, new electrical, and plenum / duct work. All materials =$1400'ish + 2 guys / 1 day labor. I came in at about a quarter of that $10k and still made a decent profit.

I'll be packing for Alaska if that's the going rate!
If equipment and material was 1400, and it was a slide out slide in change out. I would have been between 32 and 3400. Removing a huge old furnace and upgrading from a 80%er to 90% plus, with the same 1400 equipment and material cost, around 4700.
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how do we know that the contractor even knew of the situation and conditions. Maybe to buyer was trying to keep everything professional and not involve personal life. And while yes he may have had his mind other places when signing it doesn't mean the contractor was taking advantage of him. But he could of too I guess.
Thats why I said if someone could prove he charged more then he normally would have.

Although the customer can still claim he was under duress. Even if the contractor knew nothing about it.
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Some people are Just Total Pr!ck's when they know they have you over a barrel.
Not saying that's what happened , but it seems like could be the case .
Sorry to hear they had to go through this at such a devastating time
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Just upgraded from 80% to 93%, 88k .. new 3.5 ton coil and 13 seer condensor. Lennox Merit line

Complete system installed, with new venting and trunk tie in, old equipment hauled off.....












$4382.74






Sorry to hear about you friends circumstances..
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Just upgraded from 80% to 93%, 88k .. new 3.5 ton coil and 13 seer condensor. Lennox Merit line

Complete system installed, with new venting and trunk tie in, old equipment hauled off.....


$4382.74


Sorry to hear about you friends circumstances..
What size was the old furnace. What is the TESP the new furnace is running at. TESP tells if the duct work is sized right for the furnace. Did they check that. Did they set it up with a combustion analyzer? there will be holes drilled into the PVC if they did.
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I dunno about the tesp. I'm sure it's the same size as what came out.


I don't think there is a combustion analyzer..

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