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Old 03-16-2019, 12:13 PM   #1
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Fire Block Foam Or Caulk


Hello all,

I have a pending Fire Alarm install in a commercial building.
I will need to use a Fire Block around wall penetrations.

Anyone have a recommendation for what is to be used or not used
in this kind of application??

Thanks for any input.

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Old 03-16-2019, 01:01 PM   #2
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We use Hilti products, caulking & bricks. We also have guys trained by Hilti

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We use Hilti products, caulking & bricks. We also have guys trained by Hilti
Correct me if I am wrong, but, the Hilti requires a special adapter
device to fit the can??
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Check the drawings & specs - many times what you have to use is called out
generally caulk or the putty material is what I have seen
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Check the drawings & specs - many times what you have to use is called out
generally caulk or the putty material is what I have seen

I AM the Drawing & Specs


Looking to see what the favorite product is for this kind of application.
3M
Great Stuff
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Hilti does have "caulk guns" that are specific to their product which is in a foil wrap, affectionately called "sausage tubes". You'll know why if you see them.
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Hello all,

I have a pending Fire Alarm install in a commercial building.
I will need to use a Fire Block around wall penetrations.

Anyone have a recommendation for what is to be used or not used
in this kind of application??

Thanks for any input.

Les
Depends on the application, you have to find an approved product for the situation. If it's a plastic pipe then FSONE if it's less than 25 wires use CP606 because it's way cheaper.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but, the Hilti requires a special adapter
device to fit the can??
Wrong, you are now corrected.

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Hilti does have "caulk guns" that are specific to their product which is in a foil wrap, affectionately called "sausage tubes". You'll know why if you see them.
Sausages are used by many manufacturers.
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Depends on the application, you have to find an approved product for the situation. If it's a plastic pipe then FSONE if it's less than 25 wires use CP606 because it's way cheaper.



Wrong, you are now corrected.



Sausages are used by many manufacturers.
I interpret his question as "can you use a regular caulking gun", my interpretation could be wrong.
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I interpret his question as "can you use a regular caulking gun", my interpretation could be wrong.
You can because it's sold in tubes and sausages.
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You can because it's sold in tubes and sausages.

I'm so used to the sausages I forgot . Having checked their site the FS one comes in tubes & sausages.

Unrelated. The Great Stuff Firestopping isn't rated for commercial use.
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I'm so used to the sausages I forgot . Having checked their site the FS one comes in tubes & sausages.

Unrelated. The Great Stuff Firestopping isn't rated for commercial use.
Not unrelated -- Great Stuff is off my radar.

As for the Hilti I 'assume' that the sausages
require a specific tool that needs to be used for application.

However it appears that the tubes just need a
Plain Jane caulking gun. Is that correct??

The next question is product sourcing.
I will have to check with my local distributors to see who
handles the Hilti CP 606 in tubes.

The other thing that I can't seem to find is the ratio of 1 tube that
holds 1.25 cups of material to what expansion quantity??

Trying to get a grasp on how much coverage will one tube handle.
I know that is going to depend on a multitude of variables.
But, as to expansion ratio is it 1:1, 1:2 or something else??

Or does just come down to keep buying until all gaps are filled??
I hope it is not that crude. Really there should be some kind of
gauge of some kind. I looked over as many Data Pages that
I can, but that does not seem to listed anywhere.
Something like 1 tube will deliver a 1/4" bead 10' long would be
helpful. Any thoughts??

Sorry for any stupid questions, but then I heard that there
are never any stupid questions

Thanks in advance and have a good rest of the weekend.

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This will help, but it is a little harder to use that a couple of decades ago


https://www.hilti.com/firestops
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Not unrelated -- Great Stuff is off my radar.

As for the Hilti I 'assume' that the sausages
require a specific tool that needs to be used for application.

However it appears that the tubes just need a
Plain Jane caulking gun. Is that correct??

The next question is product sourcing.
I will have to check with my local distributors to see who
handles the Hilti CP 606 in tubes.

The other thing that I can't seem to find is the ratio of 1 tube that
holds 1.25 cups of material to what expansion quantity??

Trying to get a grasp on how much coverage will one tube handle.
I know that is going to depend on a multitude of variables.
But, as to expansion ratio is it 1:1, 1:2 or something else??

Or does just come down to keep buying until all gaps are filled??
I hope it is not that crude. Really there should be some kind of
gauge of some kind. I looked over as many Data Pages that
I can, but that does not seem to listed anywhere.
Something like 1 tube will deliver a 1/4" bead 10' long would be
helpful. Any thoughts??

Sorry for any stupid questions, but then I heard that there
are never any stupid questions

Thanks in advance and have a good rest of the weekend.

Les
It doesn't expand, it's just caulking, some is acrylic, some is silicone, some is intumescent and expands when it gets hot.

Sausages need a sausage gun, go buy one they are 75 bucks but it's cheaper in the end than caulking tubes.

Buy a case of sausages and see how far ya get.
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It doesn't expand, it's just caulking, some is acrylic, some is silicone, some is intumescent and expands when it gets hot.

Sausages need a sausage gun, go buy one they are 75 bucks but it's cheaper in the end than caulking tubes.

Buy a case of sausages and see how far ya get.

Inner,

I don't have that much to do. A case of sausages would be overkill.

Thanks for the extra input.

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you have a code or an inspector to work with?

fire caulk/putty is generally very specifically called out.
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you have a code or an inspector to work with?

fire caulk/putty is generally very specifically called out.
Yup. That's why I gave the OP the Hilti technical application page. This isn't something you spray Great Stuff into and call it good. This is commercial work with specific UL rated assemblies.

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