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Old 03-05-2019, 03:53 PM   #1
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Hello all,

Please excuse my stupid naivete, but I am having a hard time
with this item. This is in no way a sales pitch.

https://www.cmple.com/recessed-pro-p...de-inlet-white

Can someone, in different words that are not listed
in the "Overview" explain how this would function and for what
practical reason??

I tried to visualize and I can't wrap my brain around it.

I will sit back now and let the juices and comments flow as they may!!

Thanks,

Les
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Hello all,

Please excuse my stupid naivete, but I am having a hard time
with this item. This is in no way a sales pitch.

https://www.cmple.com/recessed-pro-p...de-inlet-white

Can someone, in different words that are not listed
in the "Overview" explain how this would function and for what
practical reason??

I tried to visualize and I can't wrap my brain around it.

I will sit back now and let the juices and comments flow as they may!!

Thanks,

Les
So a non-electrician can bring power up behind a TV.

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So a non-electrician can bring power up behind a TV.

So how does an extension cord on the floor make it better??

And now a non-electrician that doesn't know how to run wire
is now smart enough to know how run wire inside the wall??
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Two words: Madison and Avenue.

If you build it, some schmuck will be stupid enough to buy it.


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So how does an extension cord on the floor make it better??....

Technically, you'd be energizing 'permanent' wiring with an extension cord, which is a no-no. I don't see how it got an ETL listing.


So a big red FAIL in my book.
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That's ridiculous and thanks for the brain teaser.

I tried to figure it out, and failed three different ways.
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Hilarious, the closer you look.

https://datacommelectronics.com/wp-c...-WH-072817.pdf

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So how does an extension cord on the floor make it better??

And now a non-electrician that doesn't know how to run wire
is now smart enough to know how run wire inside the wall??
It has a short power cord that goes from your outlet below the TV to the box that relays power to the device behind the TV. It's a way of getting power to a TV legally without the need for an electrician or an electrical permit...and without having an unsightly cord running up to the TV.

What's not to understand?
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Two words: Madison and Avenue.

If you build it, some schmuck will be stupid enough to buy it.





Technically, you'd be energizing 'permanent' wiring with an extension cord, which is a no-no. I don't see how it got an ETL listing.


So a big red FAIL in my book.
It's listed...
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It has a short power cord that goes from your outlet below the TV to the box that relays power to the device behind the TV. It's a way of getting power to a TV legally without the need for an electrician or an electrical permit...and without having an unsightly cord running up to the TV.

What's not to understand?
Did you look at the illustration in my link? That makes sense to you?
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Did you look at the illustration in my link? That makes sense to you?
I've installed the product it makes perfect sense to me.

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I've installed the product it makes perfect sense to me.

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I've installed the product it makes perfect sense to me.

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So the main benefit is limiting hidden (in-wall) wiring to the same stud cavity, but running a short extension cord horizontally to reach the cavity?

And what wire is happy homeowner supposed to use to connect lower to upper receptacle in the wall? Is 12-2 apparent for this DIY product?
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It's listed...
Never said it wasn't.

But to me, it's a violation of 400.12(1).
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Now that's what I call thinking out side of the box!!
It's so stupid that it probably sells well.

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So the main benefit is limiting hidden (in-wall) wiring to the same stud cavity, but running a short extension cord horizontally to reach the cavity?

And what wire is happy homeowner supposed to use to connect lower to upper receptacle in the wall? Is 12-2 apparent for this DIY product?
It's a retrofit products. Joe blow wants to wall mount his TV but doesn't have power outlet on the wall. This brings power and a chase for low voltage wiring to the TV without the need for an electrician.

This one you have to supply your own wire, but they make a preterminated kit that includes wire.

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Here's their vid.

They overlook so many basic things (studs?) for selecting the mounting location, and hardly a mention of fishing cable to run power to the upper box.

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Here's their vid.

They overlook so many basic things (studs?) for selecting the mounting location, and hardly a mention of fishing cable to run power to the upper box.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEGI9vFhYdo

Not only that she had someone on the other side of the wall
"HAND FEED" the Data Wire through the hole.

Sorry Inner10, but this still hurts my brain.

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Not only that she had someone on the other side of the wall
"HAND FEED" the Data Wire through the hole.

Sorry Inner10, but this still hurts my brain.

Have a good day.

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Yes, the video and docs do ignore "real life" conditions such as the studs and insulation. Also, are they letting the DIY'er determine what kind of wiring they will use to connect the outlets??? It look like they used 14/2 romex, but what is to stop the DIY'er from using speaker cord, a cut off flexible extension cord, etc. ?

I went over 401.1 which addresses flexible cord (extension type) in enclosed spaces, plenum and non-plenum areas, etc. However, I don't see an issue with this type of install if the installer uses approved wiring for the connection between the in-wall receptacles.
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Here's their vid.

They overlook so many basic things (studs?) for selecting the mounting location, and hardly a mention of fishing cable to run power to the upper box.
Well, of course they don't mention the 'bad' stuff. Gotta make it look easy-peasy like they do on This Old House, etc. to peddle it.

Not once in their instructions do they mention Code compliance. Heck, they even emphasize "This product is not part of your homes' electrical system."

Fook, I think I'll start using that line during inspections. "No, Mr. Inspector, I don't need to do that.... this wiring isn't part of the homes' electrical system..." Yeah..... that'll fly.
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Yes, the video and docs do ignore "real life" conditions such as the studs and insulation. Also, are they letting the DIY'er determine what kind of wiring they will use to connect the outlets??? It look like they used 14/2 romex, but what is to stop the DIY'er from using speaker cord, a cut off flexible extension cord, etc. ?

I went over 401.1 which addresses flexible cord (extension type) in enclosed spaces, plenum and non-plenum areas, etc. However, I don't see an issue with this type of install if the installer uses approved wiring for the connection between the in-wall receptacles.
How about 310.10(B)?

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