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Old 02-27-2012, 06:19 PM   #21
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No Killer... Wrong comparison.
I do shop at Walmart when needed, but I wouldn't take a generic drug with a proven side effect that would hurt me or my family. However, we aren't comparing generic items here from generic retailers. We are talking about a specific code requirement that is in place for a very valid reason, and lives are at stake if the connections on a raised deck are compromised.

I'd consult for free to help a homeowner over making this type of compromise..l you'd apparently sell them crap and watch them crash n burn?
Somebody in MI slap him for me.

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I only asked what the price was of the stainless, because the guys @ the stamping plant would make them for me. Period. I am not quite sure where all the rest of the BS is coming from.
Your holier than thou attitude is impressive though.
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Old 02-27-2012, 06:23 PM   #22
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Killer...even if YOU had them stamped by your people, they have not been tested, approved, etc...

Something like a joist hanger is going to need an ICC approval sheet.
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Killer...even if YOU had them stamped by your people, they have not been tested, approved, etc...

Something like a joist hanger is going to need an ICC approval sheet.
Yeah but killer finishes the deck in 4 hours so an inspector wouldn't even know it was never always there.
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Killer...even if YOU had them stamped by your people, they have not been tested, approved, etc...

Something like a joist hanger is going to need an ICC approval sheet.
This is not Joe schmoo that has a press and is willing to do me a favor. He sells joist hangers nationwide, to lumber yards etc.
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Yeah but killer finishes the deck in 4 hours so an inspector wouldn't even know it was never always there.
No we get the final inspections, and the framing ones on the lower decks etc. I know lots of building inspectors on a 1st name basis. We work in 57 communities.
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You deck guys kill me. Almost like my wife's book club.. :
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You deck guys kill me. Almost like my wife's book club.. :
Are her books made from paper or plastic? Does she read 5-6 per week?

I hear book paper quality has been declining, that's why I use a kindle now.

But since I've switched I lost interest in reading. It's just not the same.
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Check around for USP brand hangers. Depending on where you are, they may be cheaper than Simpson.
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Killer...even if YOU had them stamped by your people, they have not been tested, approved, etc...

Something like a joist hanger is going to need an ICC approval sheet.
You'd be surprised what you can get away with when you have an engineers stamp... I make my own 6x6 post bases for $1.50
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You'd be surprised what you can get away with when you have an engineers stamp... I make my own 6x6 post bases for $1.50
Now that's something you, as a member in good standing in this forum, should show us.
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Now that's something you, as a member in good standing in this forum, should show us.
It's not wood so I'm sure a good portion of the members are not interested.
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Now that's something you, as a member in good standing in this forum, should show us.
I wholeheartedly agree
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I only asked what the price was of the stainless, because the guys @ the stamping plant would make them for me. Period. I am not quite sure where all the rest of the BS is coming from.
Your holier than thou attitude is impressive though.
No, you jumped at me about buying at Walmart...

Look, it's not "holier than thou". it's common sense and good business/building practice. If you're working in an area where the connectors are likely to rot off, USE STAINLESS. this isn't one of those things where it's something over-the-top that you do to set yourself apart from the little guys... it's something to keep your big deck erect. (and that's important, right?!)

If you're working down by a fresh water lake, or in a higher-rain area and you want to coat regular hangers, that's an awesome step up. But I can't see accepting the liability for compromising on something this important. That's why I said I'd rather offer my consulting services AT NO CHARGE to the home owner- I'd rather give some of my time and have a deck built correctly, than do it incorrectly and see my name tarnished years later when the family party goes rides my compromised deck 10' to the ground.

I hope this clears up some of the BS for ya.
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I only asked about the price
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I only asked about the price
Initially, yes.
I posted my .02, that this was a project element that shouldn't be skimped on- in response to the OP.

then you had a second post, directed (and quoting) me:
I guess and you don't buy anything @ walmart, or do the generic drug thing when @ the pharmacy. When in fact its just health.


... and that led us down this path.

Look, I'm all for saving the HO's $$ whenever possible!
Heck, I found out tonight I was the cheapest on a project (by about 30%!!!), simply because we're really efficient, and I can refine the deck specs to be material-efficient as well. But there are a few things I don't compromise on, and structural integrity is one of them.

Perhaps you miss-read my post, and I'm willing to leave it at that.

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So... about those $1.50 bases...
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Yea Rob, quit holding out on us, just cause we work with wood.
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You'd be surprised what you can get away with when you have an engineers stamp... I make my own 6x6 post bases for $1.50
Rob, maybe in your area... I agree with Greg, in NJ you will not get away with things you can get away anywhere else, even with engineers stamp... because when you apply for permit, most towns require additional documentation from each manufacturer to support the facts of most structural and other components which are being used.
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Won't do you any good without an engineering letter, It's also not for the public forum for lurkers and competition (including your competition) you want the info? Email me.
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Rob, maybe in your area... I agree with Greg, in NJ you will not get away with things you can get away anywhere else, even with engineers stamp... because when you apply for permit, most towns require additional documentation from each manufacturer to support the facts of most structural and other components which are being used.
Greg,

The building department will approve any custom designed metal bracket that a engineer has presented with stamp and calculations proving it complies with code.

No we're does it say that you can only use manufactured ICC-ES listed brackets, they are all covered under the special inspection portion of both the IRC and IBC codes

The reason one uses per approved mass manufactured items over custom is cost.

If Robert has paid for a engineer to review and show compliance and the engineer has published and stamped the design for repetitive use. It is no different than the ones off the shelf.

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