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Old 01-16-2020, 09:59 AM   #1
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Timbertech / Azek Movement


putting in an order for grooved Timbertech 50yr decking and the salesman called me back to say that grooved boards were 2-3 weeks out but non-grooved was available in 3 days and that he's heard complaints of board movement with hidden clip fasteners (grooved). He suggested the camo clips and non-grooved, which I accepted b/c the lake level's going up next month and this project needs to get wrapped up.

is there an issue with Azek board movement with hidden fasteners? I thought the spacer IS the spacing and it's screwed down, so not sure what the issue is.

Anything special about using the camo fasteners? first time using this fastener.
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Old 01-16-2020, 10:39 AM   #2
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Are we talking The PVC decking or the composite?

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If you're not using a gun to install a clip plan on three times the labor.

Even the best efforts 10 to screw with the spacing unless you check it every 6 boards or so. Even though it's man-made they are not dead flat or straight.

As far as movement, the only thing I could think of is a taller clip in the lower groove. I haven't used TimberTech in a while but certain Trex boards are tighter with clips. Not all grooves I located at the same height.
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Old 01-16-2020, 11:56 AM   #4
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it's PVC core and surface.

it's a 40' boat dock, so I'm going to work hard for consistent straight lines. I have a 10' piece of extruded aluminum from a storefront installation that I'll occasionally use to keep a straightedge over long distances-seems like it may help.

I don't have the screw gun but will use the Camo Marksman Pro tool for installing the decking.
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If you are using the Marksman pro with the edge screws, it will take forever. I like the system, but it is slow as molasses.

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If you are using the Marksman pro with the edge screws, it will take forever. I like the system, but it is slow as molasses.

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It leaves the most consistent spacing of any system Iíve seen and with the right system down you can move quicker. With 4 tools and 2 guys you can move quick. With 2-4 tools and 1 guy you can move at an acceptable pace. Paired with PVC decking, itís a very good system.
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Fusionloc is designed for Timbertech. It has an excellent groove consistency. Nice thing about the fusionloc is the clip has three fastening points of contact.


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Fusionloc is designed for Timbertech. It has an excellent groove consistency. Nice thing about the fusionloc is the clip has three fastening points of contact.


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Not for square edge boards, though, right?


True, but I can't see why he can't use the grooved with the fusionloc. He's only using square edge because the grooved was said to move. Imo it ain't going nowhere with the fusionloc.

Sounds to me like the salesman doesn't know what he's talking about and the grooved isn't available so he's hard selling the square edge. I can gaurantee you the Timbertech rep will say different.

Edit: I can see using the square edge because it's or 2 to 3 weeks out, but not because the grooved supposedly moves.

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His problem is the grooved is 2-3 week wait and non grooved is 3 days. His salesman "heard complains" of movement on grooved. I agree the fusionlok is a awsome system.

AustinDB, I have been using the hidfast system http://hidfast.com/ for about 6 years or 30ish decks. No complaints or issues on any and almost as fast as hardwood floors with 3 guys. It's amazing how hard it is to get the nail out if it hits a knot or doesn't fully set.

Only problem is you have to start dead strait and snap lines every 6-8 courses IMO. The nails come out to $1 a sq ft in my area.
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the hidfast system looks interesting, especially if I was doing enough of it to justify purchasing the driver.

I agree that the salesman was likely trying to get the sale.
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It leaves the most consistent spacing of any system Iíve seen and with the right system down you can move quicker. With 4 tools and 2 guys you can move quick. With 2-4 tools and 1 guy you can move at an acceptable pace. Paired with PVC decking, itís a very good system.
That's why I like it. It's pretty fool proof. Last redeck I did I only used 1 tool. Towards the end, I thought that more tools would be better. Probably do 4 to 6 tools on the next one.

That definetly would help the speed as a one man crew. Similar to Gecko Grips with Hardie. More tools make it more better.

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True, but I can't see why he can't use the grooved with the fusionloc. He's only using square edge because the grooved was said to move. Imo it ain't going nowhere with the fusionloc.

Sounds to me like the salesman doesn't know what he's talking about and the grooved isn't available so he's hard selling the square edge. I can gaurantee you the Timbertech rep will say different.

Edit: I can see using the square edge because it's or 2 to 3 weeks out, but not because the grooved supposedly moves.

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Spot on Mike. I bet I could name that salesman.
Gtown Lumber?

I wanted to purchase from Timbertown as they have a presence in the hill country builders association, but $0.60 more per linear foot seemed significant enough.
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Did not do much business with them. I guess most lumber salesmen think alike or more likely their bosses do.
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in Vegas enjoying IBS and the client is stressing because she thinks the Timbertech Silver Oak looks purple.

Initial research looks like these PVC boards can be painted. Anyone have experience with it? I've been using mostly Sherwin Williams materials lately, but willing to change.

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