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Old 05-21-2015, 12:34 PM   #1
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How in the sam hill can you guys even be competitive with what the guys at advantage and east teak are quoting me on 5/4x6 pregrooved ipe?!

We don't get to do those as much as I wish and by that I mean never. But have a client who specifically requested it so I priced it up....dayum near $6 a sf more than trex trandscend!

You guys must be chopping down the trees yourself
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Old 05-21-2015, 02:20 PM   #2
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And still needs tons of maintenance.

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" Never " being the operative word.

I have built a relationship with East Teak over Many years. You can't expect either Co. to give you much of a break when They don't know you.

Far as myself goes pricing South American below any trex product is real easy.

Rob, maintaince on SA lumber, for Me , is not measured in tons. More like ounces. Done correctly, as I do, = 3 / 5 years before a recoat is needed. Just asking Rob, have you ever put down any SA ? or have any experience putting on the finish ?

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I don't think he does, I know I don't,

I know where to buy containers of Ipe also but why?
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I don't think he does, I know I don't,

I know where to buy containers of Ipe also but why?
Some people still prefer wood. I know around here you don't see much trex/pvc in the high end areas like the hamptons.

The company I worked for prior to working for myself did lots of ipe as they also had a finishing crew and it was a steady business to maintain what they installed.
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Ipe is getting pretty pricey but its close to transcends and the others for me. Garapa (my new go to) is less expensive, massaranduba as well. I wish I got more tigerwood. By comparison I've done 2 cap stock decks in 3 years. All about who you are selling to.

Guaranteed I dont get your guys capstock prices. If it works for you, don't fix whats not broken. Most people who want wood are going wood, price is a mere inconvenience, knowing the different species, cost and their high and low points is just an extra added option to the home owner.

To each, their own.

(Edit: both suppliers you mentioned are top notch, there are some serious scumbags out there)
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Price point is not usually a consideration in any hardwood decks I do

5/4 ipe is overkill 4/4 non grooved is not bad
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5/4 ipe is overkill 4/4 non grooved is not bad
I've been doing 21 mill, been the cats ass.
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On a very few SA Ipe projects I had East Teak mill down 5/4 x 6 to Perfect.

Every board was the same width / length. . What a dream to put down. We plugged them as well.

The OL JonMon made some money on those little girls !!

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We have several yards that stock it locally so the competition keeps the price down. Getting it shipped in is always going to cost more.
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Last year, my FOB price for 1x6 ipe was 25% less than Transcends Tropical but I don't know what the pregrooved was running. I'm worried about long term performance of clips in my climate.

All told, ipe can add 10-30% to the total price, but that's just from my limited experience. I don't think that hardwood and manmade customers are the same person. I usually run through the option and people fall into one category. I can deliver garapa competitively with premium manmade.
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All told, ipe can add 10-30% to the total price, but that's just from my limited experience. I don't think that hardwood and manmade customers are the same person. I usually run through the option and people fall into one category. I can deliver garapa competitively with premium manmade.
Can not agree with that Nathan as I've turned folks that called wanted MM into ipe deck buyers. Same is true going the other way. I find the majority of people don't know much about decking & just want a nice deck.
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This guy wanted plastic, ended up out there on his hands & knees putting TWP down with rags.
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This guy wanted plastic, ended up out there on his hands & knees putting TWP down with rags.
True. If they want the prettiest deck, then I push hardwood. If they want the least maintenance its plastic.

A lot of the "hooty tooty" types don't give a damn about maintenance because they won't ever touch it.

Really like that railing too. What is it? Nice looking deck.
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This guy wanted plastic, ended up out there on his hands & knees putting TWP down with rags.
Is that steel grate of some kind on the rail, I've seen similar at the steel store where we buy big beams.

Some of the building departments have that in their multi million dollar edifices they have raised since the price of deck permits have go up from $50.00 to $300 in the last 7 years
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Those rails are made with RSC post/rails & tigerwood caprail same as the decking. Those are "bullwire" panels in the grooved post/rails, commonly used for livestock fencing. Did a lot of it years back then the city disallowed it, now it's ok to use again, go figure. It's the trendy thing on the highrise balconies downtown now, tho those are welded to pipe railing.

Picture is deceiving the true color, it looks more pinkish red in the pic than reality. I've seen it happen before taking pics at different times of day of the same thing, the sunlight makes it appear different.
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Tiger wood is niiiice - did you plan on alternating the dark with light colored boards or just get lucky, looks dayum good that way
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Do you paint or anything or install it the way you buy it
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I also worked in a area where cost wasn't as big a issue as other places. Hardwoods won out 95% of the time. Costs when I retired last year were pretty similar between Ipe and high end composites. The cost of ipe seems to be increasing at a faster rate then the composites though. And even more unfortunate, the quality is decreasing.

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