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Old 07-10-2015, 11:54 PM   #21
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put through bolts from the girder to the posts and put knees on the post to girder assembly.
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I dont know why people avoid hanging the beams with brackets in between the posts.

I agree
Looks like previous builder built the decks after the 6x6 post were set, then notched in girders.

He could of used concealed flange hangers between post
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Just for giggles can someone tell me what kind of load a Simpson HUC412 or 414 can carry?
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Through bolting single joists acting like beams on each side of the post used to be pretty common too.
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Through bolting single joists acting like beams on each side of the post used to be pretty common too.
Sandwiching and thru-bolting beams to posts is still common for low under beam decks, too...to the wrath of 'engineers'.
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Doesn't make it right
Who is your boss?

Simpson said you need to do it differently...
Why in the world would they say such a thing?
Oh....yeah, that's it.......

The shear of two 5/8 galv thru-bolts is weaker that that flimsy-ass column cap over a #2 4x4 which provides laughable lateral support?

OK...
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Who is your boss?

Simpson said you need to do it differently...
Why in the world would they say such a thing?
Oh....yeah, that's it.......

The shear of two 5/8 galv thru-bolts is weaker that that flimsy-ass column cap over a #2 4x4 which provides laughable lateral support?

OK...
It's not the bolt that's going to break/shear. It's the 2x that will split on the bolt. A beam that's bearing on a post in a Simpson or any bracket for that matter is much safer. What happens is the sandwiched 2x rots and all hell breaks loose. Literally!
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I've seen the same thing done in a 4x4.
It's not something I would do or recommend. Though in old homes I've seen the builders cut a notch and put a 16 in then put the 2nd floor joists on them. Most of those homes are 125+ and there's no crush damage to the notches or 1x. way less load though.
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It's not the bolt that's going to break/shear. It's the 2x that will split on the bolt. A beam that's bearing on a post in a Simpson or any bracket for that matter is much safer. What happens is the sandwiched 2x rots and all hell breaks loose. Literally!
Eventually...the entire freaking thing rots. Duh...

I said low level decks.

That 2x6 doesn't 'spilt' across the grain.

Push sideways on a beam bolted until it's broken, and then push sideways on a capped bracketed beam.
The comparison is not even close.

The 'engineering' statement reads something like...'in cases where substandard coated fasteners 'could' be used...so it not allowed....for every builder...by code.

Tell where I'm wrong.
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Besides splitting potential I would not consider a single dimensional framing member a beam. With one on each of a column one does all the work.
You could overcome the shear on the bolts with scabs and more bolts
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Besides splitting potential I would not consider a single dimensional framing member a beam. With one on each of a column one does all the work.
You could overcome the shear on the bolts with scabs and more bolts
Of course...when you sandwich you have 2 and load is spread over the shear of both, not one.
What seems to be not considered is posts running up thru the deck, also sandwiched by 2x joists above, and those posts are railing posts.
You would need a tractor to push that down.
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Eventually...the entire freaking thing rots. Duh...

I said low level decks.

That 2x6 doesn't 'spilt' across the grain.

Push sideways on a beam bolted until it's broken, and then push sideways on a capped bracketed beam.
The comparison is not even close.

The 'engineering' statement reads something like...'in cases where substandard coated fasteners 'could' be used...so it not allowed....for every builder...by code.

Tell where I'm wrong.
If it's not a good idea on high level decks why would it be a good idea on any level deck? Duh. It's unacceptable, period
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Here's a whole thread on it

http://www.contractortalk.com/f50/de...estion-114868/
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Totally wrong connection.
Having done some Timber Framing, the Beams should be coming into the post from the side and in to a housed connection. A splined, or "loose tenon" could be used there.
Not certain if this meets Code since my code book is Canadian, but this is not something I would do on a two story deck as displayed.
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I've seen the same thing done in a 4x4.
It's not something I would do or recommend. Though in old homes I've seen the builders cut a notch and put a 16 in then put the 2nd floor joists on them. Most of those homes are 125+ and there's no crush damage to the notches or 1x. way less load though.
1x let-in ribbon ledgers are very common with balloon framing and are a time tested, very safe way to carry floor joist loads.
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1x let-in ribbon ledgers are very common with balloon framing and are a time tested, very safe way to carry floor joist loads.
Sure, but if Simpson isn't in the chain, the engineers won't get their backdoor perks.

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