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Old 04-24-2015, 04:08 PM   #21
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until you learn to bid cost plus is your best bet or the old 350 will work
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Old 04-24-2015, 04:47 PM   #22
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I'm not asking for your help or advice. I'm simply curious as how others pricing methods are a setup. Again learn to read.
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I charge per step, 4' wide = x 6' wide = x (1.5)

Includes the rail

Landings are done per each, a lot more than sq ftge of floor because they have more post per sq ft and more rail and more fascia per sq ft

Than I use a calculator.

The whole deck goes like this: Takes all the guess work out of the process, and I actually find it to be faster.

sq ftge of deck 1 price
rail 1 price
1 step 4' wide 1 price
1 4x5 landing 1 price
Gates 1 price
Lights x (# of lights) only sell what I stock

Than all that depends upon the flavor of the materials involved w/ each

Do it this way because in the land of limited money people will try to beat you up on price if you just throw a whole project price at them, when broken down my favorite reply is tell me which one of these you don't want?

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Steps are charged by the QTY, closed risers by the QTY. Landings are figured in with every other thing in the price sheet, joists for landing are with the deck joists, beams, etc. Then another $750 is added for the landing (this is on top of material & labor costs being covered in the rest of the spreadsheet). Then everything gets our markup on it in the end.
The $750 seems to help with dealing with free standing landings, if it's attached to the house I sometimes drop the extra since it's easier.
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I charge per step, 4' wide = x 6' wide = x (1.5)

Includes the rail

Landings are done per each, a lot more than sq ftge of floor because they have more post per sq ft and more rail and more fascia per sq ft

Than I use a calculator.

The whole deck goes like this: Takes all the guess work out of the process, and I actually find it to be faster.

sq ftge of deck 1 price
rail 1 price
1 step 4' wide 1 price
1 4x5 landing 1 price
Gates 1 price
Lights x (# of lights) only sell what I stock

Than all that depends upon the flavor of the materials involved w/ each

Do it this way because in the land of limited money people will try to beat you up on price if you just throw a whole project price at them, when broken down my favorite reply is tell me which one of these you don't want?
Finally someone with a price structure.
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Finally someone with a price structure.
I do it in their house on the 1st call, ain't go no time 2 b going back and 4th
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I think this thread is a bit misconstrued, Mike is talking about a bid sheet for someone else to work off. I always figure my time and materials, but I am quoting every job.

If I had to have a bid sheet I would probably figure a sq ft price. That being said, it would probably have additional price for wider stairs, landings, additional post, with a price attached.

I give Mike credit, I would have a hard time committing to a bid sheet site unseen.
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I think this thread is a bit misconstrued, Mike is talking about a bid sheet for someone else to work off. I always figure my time and materials, but I am quoting every job.

If I had to have a bid sheet I would probably figure a sq ft price. That being said, it would probably have additional price for wider stairs, landings, additional post, with a price attached.

I give Mike credit, I would have a hard time committing to a bid sheet site unseen.
They're mobilhomes, pretty much all the same. Just different direction.
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As long as you CYA against the unusual stuff then I see how you could do it. I screwed myself badly in the past with square foot or piece estimating so I can't really help. I figure materials per square foot as double that of the deck. Railing materials I price per section.

We have to pour a slab to catch almost any stair so things like a single step or waterfall step/stair can be REALLY expensive even though the square footage is low.
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As long as you CYA against the unusual stuff then I see how you could do it. I screwed myself badly in the past with square foot or piece estimating so I can't really help. I figure materials per square foot as double that of the deck. Railing materials I price per section.

We have to pour a slab to catch almost any stair so things like a single step or waterfall step/stair can be REALLY expensive even though the square footage is low.
so price the concrete separate, don't know why you can't use 2x2 patio blocks, think the code just says a hard surface

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so price the concrete separate, don't know why you can't use 2x2 patio blocks, think the code just says a hard surface
It doesn't make any difference in the performance of the structure. I'd rather land on a block or ground contact pt set in crushed stone but it's not the code that's the problem, it's the code enforcement. Eventually I just stop arguing and put it in the estimate.
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All my stairs are different. Spiral, wood stringers but mostly push sell the steel. 9-12steps etc.
I have it bundled pt x amount. Composite wood stringers x amount.
Steel diamond plate x amount.
The railings separate but pick/choose to match the rest of deck .

Im with killer on his pricing. Ill never forget a customer of said a long time ago I absolutely love your estimate. It's like a Chinese menu... just pick and what you like. No back/forth. If go on 2nd visit it's to pick up check and sign off contract. Cali I get your sf pricing it's simple. Keep it that way. Also you're steps/landings are easy with not much room for error to take in the shorts.
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We use a bid sheet. There are several ways I have priced this and compared the numbers. Overhead for a month divide by 4.333 and by 5 to find daily overhead. Thats margin. I also have figured overhead as a percentage of gross sales. Like your overhead was 10 or 15% of sales a year. Thats markup. Two different ways to bid.

What we do are Residential storage buildings. They are pre determined structures that we build. Someone comes to our sales lot and picks one. Our sales person goes off a price sheet we make. I have a spreadsheet that has over 100 different designs and over 120 different materials in it with formulas all through the sheet. It'll tell me down to the penny of what it should cost for materials. It took me 3 months to design it. I change a price of one piece of material and it automatically changes the bottom line material cost on every building we offer.

Now the tricky part of adding labor into the bid, Since we have a niche, our labor is also a percentage of gross sales. But if we have something that is going to be time consuming. Like a custom one that matches the house we would have to calculate labor on what cost is for an 8 hour day for the crew x how many days we were to be on. It can be very time consuming to figure out how to correctly bid something and throw out a price that will produce profit. When you don't know if they are going to say well we live 1 hour away and the ground has a heavy slope or we have to walk in the materials from 300 ft away.

All I know is if it is not a very very niche product to make labor a percentage of gross sales you better go by the margin theory. I have also watched a theme on this spread sheet, that the larger the job the cheaper it is per square ft. It amazes me to watch number trends. So I would think it could play a factor in building other products. Such as your stairs. We also use break down options for the cheap customer. This extra thing would be "x" and that would be "x". Just like buying a vehicle. Well, chrome wheel are this $$$ much more.

I think my next thing is to look into dailies of how much time it takes per building after they are built and find an average time per type of structure and maybe break it down to sq ft = labor to build it. idk... I just follow numbers. I would consider stairs something custom. SO if I had to price them, I would think a higher $ for a bid sheet so you don't lose money. Since you will be giving a price unseen to the conditions of the job. At least track every job as you do them. To possibly foresee unseen costs on the next one. But I'm sure you do that already.
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I'd take it one step at a time.
Read my mind. As others have stated, only you know how long it will take you. I can build a set of construction stairs in minutes. Depends on how often you build stairs, the method you use to build them ect.
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Read my mind. As others have stated, only you know how long it will take you. I can build a set of construction stairs in minutes. Depends on how often you build stairs, the method you use to build them ect.
No one asked how much to charge. No one. The question is how you charge. I could careless what you charge. It's has nothing to do with me.

My pricing structure can used used by others. My prices probably can't.
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For standard PT deck stairs ; open stronger sides, closed risers, decking overhang, I have a basic pricing schedule. It goes " $ x linear footage of 1 stair = A. Then A x # of stairs.
Railing is just based on linear footage, with stair railing being a higher price.
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Read my mind. As others have stated, only you know how long it will take you. I can build a set of construction stairs in minutes. Depends on how often you build stairs, the method you use to build them ect.
No one asked how long it will take to build stairs either. Am I not writting will enough for people to comprehend? I'd think I wasn't except all but about three people understood the OP.

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Well that was F$&!ing ignorant. I'm sure you've got everything figured out perfectly hey?
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