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Old 02-16-2016, 08:59 PM   #1
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I am a fence contractor. We recently installed a 1"x4" Cedar T&G fence in late Nov. We had the fence stained prior to installation. As we were completing the job, we noticed tremendous buckling of most of the panels. My manufacturer blames my painter (that it should've dried out first) & my painter blames my manufacturer (not leaving enough room for expansion). Note - Not all of the panels did this but most of them did.
Has anyone ever heard of this?
I do know that we had great weather around the time of the staining but there were a few nights that the temp dropped to the 30's. My painter told me the lumber came wet. He would dry it in his garage with heaters overnight & then stain them. He'd then store the panels outside once completed.

Could this severe buckling be due to:
1.The fence being too wet and the boards expanded when the temp dropped below 32 degrees?
2.The stain applied over wet wood and sealed in moisture which then expanded when the temp dropped below 32 degrees?
3. A manufacturer defect?

Any input would be great..Thanks.
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Old 02-16-2016, 09:09 PM   #2
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not a fence installer but i never heard of wood fence buckling from stain..

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Old 02-16-2016, 09:23 PM   #3
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Stain wouldn't "seal" in moisture unless there was a vigorously applied topcoat sealant. Like, shellac.
I'm more inclined to side with your painter's opinion of them not leaving room for expansion.

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What kind of stain, solid, semi? If the wood was that wet that the painter tried to dry them then there was too much moisture content to stain them. But I don't think that's what caused the buckling the wood was simply too wet to install period.
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I stained a large anount of cedar boards (5/4s) and 2x4s once. Before I stained them they were noticeably wet. I stained them anyways and left them to dry in a heated shop for over a week, and still the boards were wet to the touch. Ended up installing them TIGHT together for a fence, and on the first downpour, everything swelled and shifted bad. Had to remove boards and leave a bit of space for expansion. Bosses orders BTW!
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Stain was semi solid Benjamin Moores (not cheap). Areas below which appear to be sunlight are actually buckles in the fence.
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Semi Solid Benjamin Moores (not cheap)
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I am a fence contractor. We recently installed a 1"x4" Cedar T&G fence in late Nov. We had the fence stained prior to installation. As we were completing the job, we noticed tremendous buckling of most of the panels. My manufacturer blames my painter (that it should've dried out first) & my painter blames my manufacturer (not leaving enough room for expansion). Note - Not all of the panels did this but most of them did.
Has anyone ever heard of this?
I do know that we had great weather around the time of the staining but there were a few nights that the temp dropped to the 30's. My painter told me the lumber came wet. He would dry it in his garage with heaters overnight & then stain them. He'd then store the panels outside once completed.

Could this severe buckling be due to:
1.The fence being too wet and the boards expanded when the temp dropped below 32 degrees?
2.The stain applied over wet wood and sealed in moisture which then expanded when the temp dropped below 32 degrees?
3. A manufacturer defect?

Any input would be great..Thanks.
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Didn't you just post this yesterday?

You're a fence contractor?

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Ya obviously you want us to hear it again.
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coulda had it fixed by now..
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You or the painter one should know you can't dry lumber with a high moisture content in a garage with a heater overnight.
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My bad. I posted it yesterday under General discussion. I thought I"d post it today in a different group to see if anyone else had an opinion. Didn't realize everyone can see it. New here. But thanks for your advice. You sound like a real jerk off :relaxed:

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My bad. I posted it yesterday under General discussion. I thought I"d post it today in a different group to see if anyone else had an opinion. Didn't realize everyone can see it. New here. But that's for your advice. You sound like a real jerk off :relaxed:
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My bad. I posted it yesterday under General discussion. I thought I"d post it today in a different group to see if anyone else had an opinion. Didn't realize everyone can see it. New here. But that's for your advice. You sound like a real jerk off :relaxed:
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I'm behind on my subscription....
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I'm behind on my subscription....
It's not going to be on NetFlix if you were waiting for that option...
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Threads merged. Please do not start multiple threads with the same subject.

And lighten up on the name calling until we give you the secret fraternity handshake.

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