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Old 08-04-2008, 10:50 PM   #1
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Got a big free standing pool deck to build. 44" height off of ground, post and beam, 2x10's 16 o.c. The real question is on my footings, I would think that the deck would sway if 6x6's were set on top of peirs, is anyone still sinking their posts into the ground these days? 42" is what I have to go down around here. Any help on my options for the footings, I just dont want a swaying deck.

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Old 08-04-2008, 11:07 PM   #2
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We are not allowed to sink wood posts in the ground here. We use Simp. CBSQ's and bracing, if necessary.

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We can down here, and that is the
perfect place to do it for any number
of reasons.
Worst case senario, your deck will
still out last the pool.
Check with your building dept.
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They dont mind either way, I was just thinking that a free standing deck would benifit from being anchored into the ground with the posts. They do pole barns like that still. Alot of decks are like that here. I do like the ones set on the piers though, just not practicle in this application I believe.
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This one you could drive a tank onto...We covered it up with decorative lattice.


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All that bracing is the ticket, The HO wants lattice(yuck) as well. I see the pros and cons of both, I have always sunk my posts, I was just thinking of trying it another way. Hmmm... I am still leaning towards sinking the 6x6's. The one level of the deck will be 8' by 28' stoop, stairs, and a just above ground level deck all ties it together.
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You could use a larger sonotube with a rebar cage inside and pour to the bottom of the beam.
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Got a big free standing pool deck to build. 44" height off of ground, post and beam, 2x10's 16 o.c. The real question is on my footings, I would think that the deck would sway if 6x6's were set on top of peirs, is anyone still sinking their posts into the ground these days? 42" is what I have to go down around here. Any help on my options for the footings, I just dont want a swaying deck.

Darcy

Around here sinking posts is still the norm. I would sink the posts then add some cross bracing as nessesary. Pouring a tube all the way up to the beam would be real solid. When we build cottages along the river here thats how we do it.



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Interesting thread discussion...

I never sink posts into the ground for a deck. I was taught that putting the post into the ground was the wrong way. Virtually all the decks in my neck of the woods use saddle brackets. I'm a creature of habit when it comes to building a deck this way.

Also, I would always be afraid that someone could make a mistake and cut a post too short resulting in having to re-do the post and cement. Make a mistake like that with a post on a saddle bracket and you just have to cut a new piece for the post.

I've attached a couple of pictures of a deck that we tore out and replaced last week. The posts were set into concrete (no saddle brackets) and the concrete had lifted 3 inches in some spots. You can see in the third picture how out of level the homeowner built deck was from the frost. I realize that the lack of sonotubes is to blame for the concrete lifting but I thought they were great "before" pictures to have on hand to show potential clients.
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BTW, here's the "replacement"...
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I always let my posts run long then they can be trimmed to the correct length. It looks like in those pictures someone did a craptastic job with the posts and the holes to begin with. Running a tube from 42" in the ground to the bottom of the beam is a good idea, just a little impractical for this application IMO. Decks Etc. it looks like those posts in the before picture were just riding on top of the poopy pile of concrete?
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Decks Etc. it looks like those posts in the before picture were just riding on top of the poopy pile of concrete?
I have a feeling they were level with the ground when they were first poured . One of them was actually bigger in diameter than it was deep in the ground. I actually had to remove 3 of them as they were outside the dimension of the new deck - I just wrapped a chain around the concrete and pulled it out of the ground with my MT52. The deepest one I pulled out was just over 18 in. of concrete.

Like I said, I'm aware that the lack of a sonotube was the cause of the frost lifting them, that and the fact the concrete wasn't nearly deep enough - I just thought it was an interesting picture to share. Also, I don't disagree that putting the post into the ground is a valid way of supporting a deck, it's just not the way it's done in my area.

The bottom line is that as long as it supports the deck and passes code then there's nothing wrong about it.
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I guess I should clarify, I don't usually put the posts in the concrete unless its a special situation. I usually dig, pour a 12" think footing set and level the post, then backfill. Thats the norm around here.



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BTW, here's the "replacement"...

Thats a nice looking deck! you guys get all the nice wood up there


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Thats a nice looking deck! you guys get all the nice wood up there


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Thanks Dave!

We pay a pretty good price for though...
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Thanks Dave!

We pay a pretty good price for though...
I can only amagine!

I can remember when I was younger working with my dad helping him build a redwood deck. It was the most beautiful I have ever seen! I keep forgetting I wanna drive by the house and see if its still there.


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I've never built a deck where we didn't sink the post. I live in south Florida where it's always humid, rainy and the ground is wet. We rebuild a lot of older decks and as far as I can remember we've replaced very few posts because of rot. Out at the beaches most of the houses are set on driven pilings and some of them are going on 100 years old. I don't see any problem

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