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Old 03-11-2014, 09:54 PM   #21
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Employees, though we are looking for subs to service our outer markets. I passed on the guys who knew everything for some younger guys who I could teach. I mean, hell, I've spent the last ten years trying to become the best deck builder possible...I'd like to think I've got something to offer a new generation! I'm working on instituting a check-out system for tools. We provide but they're getting trashed w/ no accountability (and sh*t walks away from time to time). I've got to make it hurt for them when they break our stuff! Mac
Couldn't agree with this anymore. There's nothing worse then trying to tell a guy he's screwing up, who thinks he's the chit when it comes to building a deck. We are losing good craftsman.
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Old 03-11-2014, 09:56 PM   #22
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Employees, though we are looking for subs to service our outer markets. I passed on the guys who knew everything for some younger guys who I could teach. I mean, hell, I've spent the last ten years trying to become the best deck builder possible...I'd like to think I've got something to offer a new generation!

I'm working on instituting a check-out system for tools. We provide but they're getting trashed w/ no accountability (and sh*t walks away from time to time). I've got to make it hurt for them when they break our stuff!

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I think the younger guys is the way to go. And yes I’m sure you bring tremendous value after 10years of custom decking.
Are the tools not getting back to the shop or the truck? The trashing is just the cost of doing business until you train them better.
The tool thing is tuff. I while back when I was on sabbatical working for Hollywood building movie sets. They had a very strict policy at the tool room his name was Sefis he made you sign in/out every day. No tool was to be left out of the storage room over night..ever.
For us I have dedicated roof top tool packages dedicated on a per phase bases. My sprinters are fully custom built so everything has it's place and easy to put back.
It sound like you have foremen position?? Yes. Unfortunately I think you just have assign who ever the lead of that team or job is to make sure it’s back in place or it’s his azz. I had couple of Let’s say south of the borders working for me for years always had the accountable issues. One day I lost it on one of them. He comes to me and says “broke” put’s it down and walked away. Mean while I was working on something else and wasn’t paying attention. Once I realize is was impact driver I lost it. It’s broke then go home I have no more tools so no more work. It wasn’t the fact that the drill broke tools break it happens it was his attitude that just could not stand. It’s a tuff call. because you afford to anyone who is full loaded with tools. You have specific tools that make production better and can’t expect them to go out buy there own. I have 2 fully loaded sprinters stocked and ready to handle anything. There is nothing that could come up in the field that they could want unless they forgot to re-stock which has not happened for a long time. The last time some one forgot to re-stock I said you don’t stock the truck you don’t work today. That’s’ it. There's even a clip board by the back door with yellow note pad and a sign that says. STOP! WHAT DO I NEED.. I’ve spent way too much time and money to make sure we can be as efficient as possible and will not tolerate inefficiencies. Our logistical and small work environments are bad enough to deal with. not to mention there is nothing easy about we do.
Don’t mean to ramble on but that chit bugs me..

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General plan is:
Crew lead checks out/returns tool pack (I like the per phase basis both for specific tools and time constraints...not a daily check in/out but after that phase is complete)
Busted tools require an explanation, missing tools aren't allowed. (left at jobsite? Go get 'em, bring 'em back)
Shop boy/runner cleans/stores them.

I like the clipboard sign!

(And 'make it hurt' can mean a lot of things. Money is only one.)
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Couldn't agree with this anymore. There's nothing worse then trying to tell a guy he's screwing up, who thinks he's the chit when it comes to building a deck. We are losing good craftsman.

Just try finding a guy that can cut a roof or set of stairs...

We aren't so much losing good craftsman as very few young guys want to "pay their dues" and learn a trade from the ground up.

A few of them weekend warrior shows, a truck, rack & tool box and...

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Always cracks me up when I ask a guy what his experience is and he says I'm a sheeter. WTF?
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General plan is:
Crew lead checks out/returns tool pack (I like the per phase basis both for specific tools and time constraints...not a daily check in/out but after that phase is complete)
Busted tools require an explanation, missing tools aren't allowed. (left at jobsite? Go get 'em, bring 'em back)
Shop boy/runner cleans/stores them.

I like the clipboard sign!

(And 'make it hurt' can mean a lot of things. Money is only one.)
Your getting places.
Next thought:
What about transportation? Theres or yours? What about dedicated package? What do you have in mind containers etc. Can I say 99% of your stuff is ground? Back of houses not too far from driveway or even next to truck?
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Always cracks me up when I ask a guy what his experience is and he says I'm a sheeter. WTF?
Reminds me of the piece work framing days....

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Your getting places.
Next thought:
What about transportation? Theres or yours? What about dedicated package? What do you have in mind containers etc. Can I say 99% of your stuff is ground? Back of houses not too far from driveway or even next to truck?
We've got three trucks, available as needed. If it makes more sense for Lead to go directly to jobsite instead of come to shop in am, he's got a vehicle that can carry his tools. If not, he drives ours.
I like the idea of a Sprinter (or similar), in the future, I could see adding those.

Way off on percentage - 10% are 20' or less from truck, most are behind gate, down the hill, around back. We're hitting approx. 50/50 that are above/below 5'.
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Hey Mac, good to see Ya! Glad that Portland move is working out.

I am wondering if the Sprinters still have that turbo regulator part failure that leaves you stranded in limp mode.

No one over here is training in. I don't know who is going to do the work as time goes by. One shining star I trained in went to St Lewis to start his own Co. I was pretty happy about that but for the most part I had to hire criminals there was no way to get around it. If I had to provide a drug test I could not field a crew.

One of my workers had his 4th court date coming up for a drive by. Looks like they will drop charges this time all the witnesses are not showing up or have left town. This is a simi normal thing I have to deal with. Another was stealing tools then escalated to getting a check out of my truck and trying to cash it made out in felt tip pen. Not really the brightest candle in the window kinda folks.

After a few years of that I got hooked up with collage kids That is working well.




It's simple for me to turn the joists around for the run out from the house cause I flush frame. Most of mine are three or four feet off the ground and the required 18'' piers are easy to install.

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We've got three trucks, available as needed. If it makes more sense for Lead to go directly to jobsite instead of come to shop in am, he's got a vehicle that can carry his tools. If not, he drives ours.
I like the idea of a Sprinter (or similar), in the future, I could see adding those.

Way off on percentage - 10% are 20' or less from truck, most are behind gate, down the hill, around back. We're hitting approx. 50/50 that are above/below 5'.
Sounds like a hand truck would fit in.
Do they use miter saw often? We don't. I set up on the street side walk for cedar railings which are selling less and less. Pergola and fancy stuff I'll schlep it up for anything more than 1/2-full day.
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framing package
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fasteners is major issue. this is critical to streamline.
air compressor should have wheels (dewalt) away from work area to noise down.
50-100 10/3 cords.
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Think of how you did it in the past and cut more fat out of it. The less trips = more work. 10min a day really adds up. Watch them see how they set up break down. Train them to dance not stumble. Make then flow.
Like the Festool package. Why clean at the end when you can do it during.
We did commercial deck for trucking out fit. The boss who hired me gave me really nice compliment. He said he has never seen anyone in construction move as smooth with such conviction, purpose and execution as me and my crew. Every move produced a result.
Big Mac needs to make lil Mac's
The getting ready to get ready is major fat factor.

The hardest part of all this is most people just can't comprehend and change because of ego stupidity they would rather keep smoking and huff and puff till they almost pass out during work then just quit.
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Always cracks me up when I ask a guy what his experience is and he says I'm a sheeter. WTF?
WTF is a sheeter......

like were not doomed already. now I gotta compete with a sheeter.
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All they do is plywood.
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This is Bob with Artistic Decks & Arbors. Two things to add to this discussion.
1. On the framing, I am sure you all do the same thing, I try not to have any spliced deck boards but when I have to I put two joists together. This way each end of the deck boards can be attached on its own joist, preventing splitting a single joist.
2. On the tools growing legs, I have been at this 40 some years and I could have opened a hardware store with all the tools I have lost. I started Having our subs and employees sign an agreement that if they loose or break a tool, and the tool did not fail, they have to replace it. One of my guys suggested I use my cell phone to take a picture of the person and the tool they are borrowing, cuts out the I didn't have that.

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