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Old 07-07-2012, 11:20 AM   #1
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Construction Detail Q?, Re: A RW Fence W/ Horizontal Boards / Slats


A local designer I love working with asked for a 'preliminary bid' to help her keep her landscape design within budget.

Not wanting to be 'off', I'm just bidding the plan as she has it so far...

It's fairly complicated, and I've got most elements worked out, but the "Horizontal Fence" is new for me.
Searched, but couldn't find construction details for a RW fence with horizontal boards.

What grade of RW for the horizontal boards?
What to use for rails (2x4's?)... on edge or flat?
What to use to keep horiz. boards on the same plane (probably need vertical supports every few feet, no?)
How to box in a HadcoPostmaster post w/ horiz boards?

I've shown a few google images to give the idea of what the fence will prolly look like

Any links or examples would be greatly appreciated!
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Old 07-07-2012, 01:27 PM   #2
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Re: Construction Detail Q?, Re: A RW Fence W/ Horizontal Boards / Slats


How is it possible to be a carpenter and not have the ability to see something and not be able to build it. Is this your 1st year, 2nd year, ?

Everything is there in the pictures you just posted, copy it.

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How is it possible to be a carpenter and not have the ability to see something and not be able to build it. Is this your 1st year, 2nd year, ?

Everything is there in the pictures you just posted, copy it.

And that's constructive advice.... how? Sorry if I've tweaked your sensibilities, but my original questions remain.

Still hoping someone without an axe to grind will post a reply.


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Old 07-07-2012, 04:28 PM   #4
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Support is everything building a fence like that.

Placing the uprights,choice of material, seting the posts corectley,the right fasteners,protecting the frame with a cap rail,the right finish.

Actually www.deckmastersllc.com offers a Cosultant service. We can help you with this project.Give me a Call . Our pricing is competitive starting with a $1200.00 retainer fee.

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Old 07-07-2012, 05:08 PM   #5
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Awwww come on Johnson that is a really good deal !

Think what you will learn ? After you have my system down you will be wareing dimonds as big as horse turds.


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Support is everything building a fence like that.

Our pricing is competitive starting with a $1200.00 retainer fee.
Thanks for the offer, how does that work out as an hourly rate?

You confirmed the obvious, support is everything... I am asking about what materials to use to provide that support.

With horizontal boards, I'm envisioning a 2x4 top rail and cap rail, and the same thing on the bottom, with one or more vertical supports between the rails... 2x3"?

Anybody with suggestions starting at something less than $1,200?

Thanks in advance to Jerry, a local (SoCal) ContractorTAlk member here who called me, suggesting that I might just sub the entire fencing project to him......

I just sent him the .pdf plan with a request that he bid the job.

IN the mean time, if y'all want to have fun at my expense, pile on!



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Old 07-07-2012, 05:51 PM   #7
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Darn it, that Jerry get's em every time..

It's not fair. Just because He is local,has a good rep, puts down some good work is no reason to discount an old Okie !!


Really Man, there is no way anyone but local could help you. There are too many things that have to be done the Local Way.

I could tell you how I do it over here and it could all be wrong over there. Also you did not really think anyone is going to do all the work for Ya for free did Ya ? Figure out the money yourself and get in that budget put your big boy panties on.

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you did not really think anyone is going to do all the work for Ya for free did Ya ?
Do all the work for free?!? What are you referring to? Would answering a couple questions be "doing all the work for free"? How did we get off on the wrong foot here? Is it inherently offensive for a landscape contractor to post here, or to do some of 'your' work?

FWIW, I always sub out work that needs to be done quicker or better than what we can turn out (finish carpentry, stone work, tile, concrete finishing) or if it's out of my scope of work (pool, electrical, stucco, etc). I'm all about turning out a job so the customer wants to brag to their friends about how great it came out... saves on advertising.

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You gotta toughen up a little around here. My observation is the more push back folks get on here the more pile on to join in the fun.
For me there are a lot of things that I do just by either looking at how it was done when I tear it out, and fix/improve on that, or I find something like/similar in life or picture and figure it out that way. I only have about ten years or so in this so I have not even come close to seeing or doing it all.
For me the biggest obstacle on any job is fear of what I haven't done or don't know a whole lot about. Sometimes you just have to bid it based on what you know and get as close as you can on what you don't. You may loose a little that way but you can't get there by doing nothing. The next time you will have a clue and can get much closer if not dead nuts. I am sure that I will get a little heat over this paragraph but I don't walk away from something I know I can do if I just put my head down and do it.
I can't imagine that there isn't something online that would help. Maybe refining or using different keywords would get you what you need.
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It's one thing if an actual Mechanic is asking for info.
That is not the same as a general contractor asking how to get a project down to budget so He can get the Job.

You got to Pay if you want to Play. That was almost as bad as coming on asking how to Bid a job.

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the more push back folks get on here the more pile on to join in the fun.
For me, it is the lack of respect shown here that was surprising. In life, it's called 'bullying'.

I still just want to know if anyone here has done a fence with horizontal boards, and can share the method of keeping the boards from bowing out.

On a regular dog-ear cedar fence, it's done with a center rail. I've never done a fence like this, so I THOUGHT I might get constructive suggestions.

Still optimistic! Again, thanks to one professional member who contacted me, off the thread, I may have my answers soon.

And then I'll be able to help my friend, Morgan, the landscape designer who asked me to help her keep the plan she's working on within the clients' budget.
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That is not the same as a general contractor asking how to get a project down to budget so He can get the Job.
Exactly.... glad you see it my way.
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For me, it is the lack of respect shown here that was surprising. In life, it's called 'bullying'.



oh, my belly hurts from that laugh.... i think i woke my kid

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Exactly.... glad you see it my way.
Point is Will, you actually came across as someone who doesn't know how/has no plans to do the work himself. In a case like that, the usual way to handle it is to get a bid or two from real-life subs in your area, not ask for how-tos on the internet.

You got piled on maybe a bit more than called for, but you sort of asked for it.

Someone remind me to castigate Mr. Jon Mon for shameless self-promotion.
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oh my god that is still funny!

i need to go to sleep......
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Searched, but couldn't find construction details for a RW fence with horizontal boards.

What grade of RW for the horizontal boards?
What to use for rails (2x4's?)... on edge or flat?
What to use to keep horiz. boards on the same plane (probably need vertical supports every few feet, no?)
How to box in a HadcoPostmaster post w/ horiz boards?
3 basic options -
1. 2x4 or 2x6 rails on edge, posts every 8'
2. 1x4 or 1x6 (3/4" actual, none of this 5/8" crap) rails on edge, posts every 4'
3. 1x4 or 1x6 rails on edge, posts every 8' w/ vertical 1x4 on both sides at 4' between posts.

I would run a 1x2 vertically on both sides of the connection point at the post to help keep rails from twisting.
Or better yet, rout out a channel on both sides of the post to receive the rails.

Grade depends on budget...price for con. heart w/ optional upgrade to clear.

Optional upgrade - rout roundover edges on vertical supports to soften edges. If fence is high profile and this is not a project done on the cheap, give the customer the option of really taking it high end.

No idea what a HadcoPostmaster post is.

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Go to a lumber yard and they will give you all the info you need, and a drawing.
Not Home Depot or Lowes, they have ex landscaper, carepenter, guys behind their counters. Go to a REAL lumber yard.
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I'd ask the designer to give you a detail on the fence. Hard to bid when you don't know exactly what you are building. Better to make her to do her own work than asking others "how to" questions for free.

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