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Old 01-01-2020, 09:54 PM   #21
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What's funny is the only reliable pour you can do in really cold temps is to dig, pour a footing, drop a post and backfill, but they won't let you do it any more.
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Old 01-01-2020, 10:00 PM   #22
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They can't be installed in frozen soil either.
And the cost of those is going to make clients think if they really need that deck or not.
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They can't be installed in frozen soil either.

And the cost of those is going to make clients think if they really need that deck or not.


Actually I believe our resident helical guy Dan Watson says otherwise.


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They can't be installed in frozen soil either.

And the cost of those is going to make clients think if they really need that deck or not.
I might have to disagree. At about 200 each to me that's cheap. But then again we're all in different economic zones and demographics. But then again who am I to say so say 200 in 20 min is cheap. I rarely do footing but I do take advantage of when I need.

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I'd give a left nut to be able to use helical peirs out here.


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What's funny is the only reliable pour you can do in really cold temps is to dig, pour a footing, drop a post and backfill, but they won't let you do it any more.
Hey myman.... Happy New year. I think that's what Steve does ( Deck Barn). Augers Holes. Col if stone. Posts to bottom braces off and pours. I'm pretty sure he does that to because in his neighborhood they don't require inspection or something like that. I do know it saves a step or 2.

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I'd give a left nut to be able to use helical peirs out here.


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You can't use helical piers? Why?
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They can't be installed in frozen soil either.
And the cost of those is going to make clients think if they really need that deck or not.
I know the person who does the helicals in Alaska, they install them all the time in freezing temperatures. No different than dealing with the cold for any other system.

Cost wise, they’re a wash when you figure the material and labor for a conventional system. Cheaper if you have to do spread footings.

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I know the person who does the helicals in Alaska, they install them all the time in freezing temperatures. No different than dealing with the cold for any other system.



Cost wise, they’re a wash when you figure the material and labor for a conventional system. Cheaper if you have to do spread footings.



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You can't use helical piers? Why?


Can't get lateral strength for siesmic. There's no engineering yet for it. I searched all over including out of state.

I was able to find a guy, but he wanted to install 5 helicals at a 45 degree angle on each peir. That wasn't feasible.


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Can't get lateral strength for siesmic. There's no engineering yet for it. I searched all over including out of state.

I was able to find a guy, but he wanted to install 5 helicals at a 45 degree angle on each peir. That wasn't feasible.


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Relying heavily on 8-10" piers for lateral bracing is pretty optimistic, imo. We have very sandy soil so it wouldn't take much to push a pier out of plumb, at which point the gravity loading is a big problem. I know it's the AHJ calling the shots but I sometimes wonder if anyone actually THINKS.

If you build a steel moment frame to support a deck, can you still not use helical?
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Can't you dig a small hole put some charcoal in it with lighter fluid and fire it up?


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This exactly what I do. Next day frost is out if not too deep yet

But trying to get through the frost in middle of winter would be the most expensive deck I could build, that nobody would use until spring anyways. OP try something more productive with your time this winter


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