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Old 02-24-2012, 07:19 PM   #41
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I haven't found any body wanting to pay $100.00 l/f yet
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:39 PM   #42
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Is this quote with the hand rail sounds like a custom fab job?? That is incredibly expensive.
Yes it was, and yes it was. Quality takes time, and good materials, I got tired of compromise.

If I was going to do something it would be right. If I could not build a company I was proud of I would just get a regular job.
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I haven't found any body wanting to pay $100.00 l/f yet
Killer,

Pricing by the foot is a good reason why you will not find home owners or clients willing to pay more than $100.00 l/f

A product is only worth what a client deems its worth.

316l stainless steel needs to be fabricated in a clean room type environment, otherwise cross contamination with other materials will lodge in the material and cause lots of problems for you and the client.

Custom cabinets and on site solid wood built in,s cost more than Ikea or particle board box store Off the shelf units.

We all can figure out why, as a specialty contractor we rebuild historical railings and also do decks, sun rooms and a whole slew of other contacting work.

The one thing we never do is present an option as you don,t want that because it cost a lot, a lot of people are driving cars that cost a lot more than a dodge dart,

A contractors best friend is a client that wants nice quality items, you just have to show the best items for there budget and yours
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Killer,

Pricing by the foot is a good reason why you will not find home owners or clients willing to pay more than $100.00 l/f

A product is only worth what a client deems its worth.

316l stainless steel needs to be fabricated in a clean room type environment, otherwise cross contamination with other materials will lodge in the material and cause lots of problems for you and the client.

Custom cabinets and on site solid wood built in,s cost more than Ikea or particle board box store Off the shelf units.

We all can figure out why, as a specialty contractor we rebuild historical railings and also do decks, sun rooms and a whole slew of other contacting work.

The one thing we never do is present an option as you don,t want that because it cost a lot, a lot of people are driving cars that cost a lot more than a dodge dart,

A contractors best friend is a client that wants nice quality items, you just have to show the best items for there budget and yours
This... I'd love to hear you ramble on about more.
Specifically about what options to show, why you selected them... And how you gauge our clients, to know what options to present.

Thx...
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This... I'd love to hear you ramble on about more.
Specifically about what options to show, why you selected them... And how you gauge our clients, to know what options to present.

Thx...
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Matt,

Let's start with your avatar picture,

Either this is your deck at home or a clients deck that you a proud of building.

Why did you build the stairs cornered out and not straight, how come you laid the flooring on an angle and not perpendicular to the joists.

These choices I will assume we're choices made that Cost more to do than you or your client could have selected, but they found value in the look, material or use of the arrangement of the deck you built.

This value you can either charge for it, give it away or find it has no value to the client and thus why build a more costly deck for less profit for a client that does not care about it.

The first thing I look for when I meet with a client is what level of prepared ness they have come to our meeting with, how are they dressed, what level of detail is in their yard, in their house, do they have a folding table in their kitchen or a fine built Amish set from York or Lancaster county.

These details in their current environment along with the car they drive allow all of us to start to frame the type of deck, cabinets, new bathroom or even new masonry front entry stoop we are planning on doing for the client.

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case with that deck, did you sell them treated lumber decking, Azec,
Ipe, Cedar or plastic because you do that or did you give the client the option between all 4 materials, the pros and cons and allowed them to choose?

How many of you just price the deck or front entry stoop, or even railing you do because that is the only style you build?


The only way you will ever sell the higher quality, and yes a SS type 316l or a C38500 bronze frame railing with bronze cables are a higher quality railing than aluminum frame with SS cables, if you don,t offer it as the better product and keep explaining the pros of owning it and then asking for the sale from your client.

I started out selling custom car stereos when I was in high school back in the late 70's early 80's, the one thing I was always told to do and it is the easiest is to ask for the clients input.

so Mrs Smith this SS cable frame railing and IPE flooring are really going to look fantastic on your new deck, is this the style you invisioned for your home, or are you looking for something different? Get the input.

If the price is a bit much you can come back to that with other selections, but always start with a clients wish list, inject the budget constraints and work to provided them the best product you can for their budget.

Remember get paid for your work, be proud of what you build and always inject that quality in your daily site operations.
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Matt,

We specialize in entrances, these can be interior foyers, exterior entrance porticos, entry stoops, rear patios or rear decks for our clients. we even do enclosures for clients.

In order to sell a client a project you need to become a design concept proactive firm and not an order taker.

I want to be clear here I am not saying you are an order taker, I am saying the first step to being able to sell higher quality items is to be able to inject them in to the clients view.

for those reading I am centering on decks because Matt asked the question but you can apply the theory to what ever you do.

If your client comes to you and says I want. 12 by 24 deck with a set of stairs, and you don,t ask the simply question, well mr smith before we hone in on the size of the deck, I would ask mr smith, what he plans to be doing on his deck? Is he planning on a BBQ, what size, what views is he interested in looking at, which views mean the least to him.(I hate this iPad word change) or do you want to be blocked from your neighbors view over here, are you looking to put umbrella tables or maybe a canvas retractable awning, how is that going to layout,

Do we need to move or hide some air conditioners

Or are we going to install your new deck next to the ac units and never be able to hear the person you are sitting next because of noise.

I had a client come to me with a complete deck design from a landscape architect, I looked at it, asked the client what they were going to be doing and then totally changed the layout because the design they had did not work IMO,

I sold them on different materials, because of the heavy roots from the trees they are keeping and the most important thing is I had them move the ac unit down by the garage, it was siting right next to the edge of the deck right outside the new sliding door location with the TV just inside the door.

The upswell on the material was from treated lumber to IPE decking on part and then masonry patio on a good portion rather than deck, why you ask, well all the trees are going to make a big mess with the birds, the masonry was a lot easier to upkeep with power washing.

If you don,t think the masonry patio was an upsale on a wood deck, think again, a good bit more cost and the client is getting what they want and are wiling to pay for it because. Are showing them the additional value.

Now to return to the order taker status, we could have just given them the price for the deck as designed by the designer , but not only did we sell a larger project, designed to make more profit, we also sold a higher costing project by showing the client the value of their purchase, not just a price.
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Anyone use American Metal Specialties in Washington or Keuka Studios in NY for pre fab cable railing systems? What did you think?
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Anyone use American Metal Specialties in Washington or Keuka Studios in NY for pre fab cable railing systems? What did you think?
Are you looking for aluminum or stainless steel?
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Cost will be the decider i suspect re Aluminum Vs. Steel. We've speced all the materials but not the cable systems in our bid. The house is near the ocean and daily salt-water fog is a big factor i.e. corrosion. We have a steel guy who can fabricate whatever we want but then its out for powder coating. Do you have any rec

We are a small outfit that renovates bungalows and craftsman homes in the San Francisco Bay Area (Herrera-Sawires Builders). We have a request to use a cable system on a rectangular deck that is approximately 13’ by 10’ , with 13’ side terminating in the home and the opposite 13’ side with a single staircase. We have built several decks, especially last summer, but this will be our first time using a steel cable system and we will not be sub-ing out this part of the project.
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Cost will be the decider i suspect re Aluminum Vs. Steel. We've speced all the materials but not the cable systems in our bid. The house is near the ocean and daily salt-water fog is a big factor i.e. corrosion. We have a steel guy who can fabricate whatever we want but then its out for powder coating. Do you have any rec

We are a small outfit that renovates bungalows and craftsman homes in the San Francisco Bay Area (Herrera-Sawires Builders). We have a request to use a cable system on a rectangular deck that is approximately 13' by 10' , with 13' side terminating in the home and the opposite 13' side with a single staircase. We have built several decks, especially last summer, but this will be our first time using a steel cable system and we will not be sub-ing out this part of the project.
Pending budget, 316l SS frame would be my first choice second would be aluminum but make sure the framework is fabricated from marine grade aluminum and we normally anodize before powder coating gives the inner areas that extra protection like galvi does for steel.
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Cost will be the decider i suspect re Aluminum Vs. Steel. We've speced all the materials but not the cable systems in our bid. The house is near the ocean and daily salt-water fog is a big factor i.e. corrosion. We have a steel guy who can fabricate whatever we want but then its out for powder coating. Do you have any rec

We are a small outfit that renovates bungalows and craftsman homes in the San Francisco Bay Area (Herrera-Sawires Builders). We have a request to use a cable system on a rectangular deck that is approximately 13 by 10 , with 13 side terminating in the home and the opposite 13 side with a single staircase. We have built several decks, especially last summer, but this will be our first time using a steel cable system and we will not be sub-ing out this part of the project.
Same handrail for the staircase?

Due to the corrosive conditions you mentioned, I would stay away from aluminum. A custom welded steel railing frame with a quality powder coat would be an excellent choice but tends to be the most expensive option. We have a stainless 2" modular railing system in either square and round (brushed) tubes that come (custom) pre-drilled for 1/8 or 3/16 cables. The stainless posts/top rail are 316 marine grade to ensure against salty air corrosion.

BTW- @Blksaint I sent you a private message.

Here is some pictures of a Hyatt hotel in Seattle with our 316 stainless steel handrail system that requires ABSOLUTELY NO FABRICATION:

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They are not allowed in any of the resort communities I work in. Many of the places are rented throughout the summer months.


I think they are beautiful, but I wouldn't install them as a matter of safety. Kids will climb on anything and one of those railings would be too tempting. Luckily I've never been asked to do one, because I hate to decline a job.
same here less resort communities.

i try and scare the customers out of them when they ask for them. i tell all i see lil johnny climbing and smack down on the side walk. do you still want them. then i shut up wait for them.

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I wouldn't recomend buying the cable from feeney. When I bought our cable we bought it from Wanchese Trawl Supply out of Wanchese, NC.

I think it was a 5000ft spool. I ended up paying $1600 for it. It was a lot of money up front, but it will pay off in the long run. I think feeney charges 1$ per foot. Buying the spool I was able to get it for .32 per foot.

If it's just for one job, you may be better off buying the cable through feeney.
used them few times great pricing for larger jobs.

i've used feeney and the last few have been from nexian. good #'s great product takes all the guess wrk out of it but a lil slow down in alabama.
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I haven't found any body wanting to pay $100.00 l/f yet
it's ok killer it will happen. haha.

no really. my estimates are like a chinese menu. just pick and choose.
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Did you figure out a way to drill in the field on an angle for stair cables? I was trying to think of jig last night that would work and make each hole at the exact angle.
I just did a bunch of cable rail stairs and came up with a simple jig that worked well. Take a scrap of the post stock cut at the correct angle, cut a shallow center line groove on the face of the angle cut to the width of the bit. Clamp the jig to the post, lay the bit in the groove and drill away. It's one hole at a time, but goes pretty quick. Turn the jig upside down for the bottom couple holes. You'll need long bits.
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