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Old 06-30-2017, 12:37 PM   #1
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I was asked to build a couple decks for a contractor. They asked what I charged per square foot. I haven't charged that way in the past, just by the hour. How do I figure my price?
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I was asked to build a couple decks for a contractor. They asked what I charged per square foot. I haven't charged that way in the past, just by the hour. How do I figure my price?


I charge $3.50/square foot plus materials for decks.

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I was asked to build a couple decks for a contractor. They asked what I charged per square foot. I haven't charged that way in the past, just by the hour. How do I figure my price?
This strikes me as a silly question but since your clueless, could always take your desired hourly rate multiply by estimated hours to complete and divide by square footage of the deck. Lol

In my experience paying a "contractor" by the hour to so anything never ends well. Don't mean to sound harsh but if you can't cipher how long it will take to build my deck and figure me up a price per square ft or otherwise based on that your not ready to build my decks.



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NJGC beat me to it.
Figure your price, divide by the sq. ft. of decks = $/SF

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You should bid on the decks based on the design. Square foot pricing doesn't work for decks, imo. I would also make absolutely sure that you are clear on what your pricing includes.
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You should bid on the decks based on the design. Square foot pricing doesn't work for decks, imo. I would also make absolutely sure that you are clear on what your pricing includes.
My sqft price varies based on design and materials etc. But sqft pricing is the standard round my way

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I charge $3.50/square foot plus materials for decks.
That's a joke, right? Stairs and railing included? Presumably for ground level only?

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Hey OP..

If you aren't comfortable and used to giving a square foot number, just tell him that. I wouldn't give a square foot number for a deck.

It is not unreasonable to give a fixed price though, have a look at the plans, at the site conditions, etc. Pretty easy if you are just supplying labour. If materials as well, just have a look at the plans, and figure out what you need for your lumber and concrete, decking, fasteners, etc.

Not a bad idea to add a percentage on the top when you figure out your time on it and material cost, might take a bit longer than you think, materials add up quick, etc. Make it worth your while.
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That may be, but this guy is bidding on 2 decks and doesn't have square foot pricing. He's most likely going to get screwed if he tries to bid by square foot. Which is the goal of many GC's that insist on square foot pricing. Sure, it's nice to have a handy little price list from your regular subs so you can ballpark projects, but you don't ask a brand new sub to give you that until they have done a proper bid on a couple projects first.
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That's a joke, right? Stairs and railing included? Presumably for ground level only?
Ground. 1 up. 2 up. Whatever you want. $3.50.


It's a joke. I actually don't like doing decks. But I'm thinking $20 square ft for an all PT deck up to 10' off ground. Maybe $25. I'd have to see the site conditions. How easy to get the lumber to the build. If I gotta rent a dingo for footings. If it was going in a corner. Too many variables to give a flat sq ft price. Stairs extra.
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Basic, no frills deck ledgered to the building, average conditions = 2.6X materials cost.

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Ground. 1 up. 2 up. Whatever you want. $3.50.


It's a joke. I actually don't like doing decks. But I'm thinking $20 square ft for an all PT deck up to 10' off ground. Maybe $25. I'd have to see the site conditions. How easy to get the lumber to the build. If I gotta rent a dingo for footings. If it was going in a corner. Too many variables to give a flat sq ft price. Stairs extra.
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I bid by the square foot. But that price is determined by a lot of variables.

Access
Material
Pita factor
Location
Etc.

Railing is done by lineal foot. Also certain variables

I have this all on my computer so an estimate is quick and simple.

It can take years to establish pricing.



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Stairs are a different animal.


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I was asked to build a couple decks for a contractor. They asked what I charged per square foot. I haven't charged that way in the past, just by the hour. How do I figure my price?
Assuming the contractor is supplying the materials, no need to overthink this but it's also important to be accurate on your costs to be in business...

SF is just a unit of measurement in the same way your hourly rate is of other factors (i.e - Labor and Overhead)... if you're used to charging by the hour, estimate the amount of hours you'd need to complete the deck, based on design, site conditions, etc. and since you're new to it, multiply that hourly estimate by 1.25 to account for things you may have missed... add whatever profit on top of that to pay your company and divide it by the SF involved to get the SF number...
Labor + Overhead + Materials + Profit / SF = SF price
Profit is what you pay your company (your pay should already be calculated into Labor) and is whatever percentage you determine to pay your company on top of LOM...

In your case, Materials may already be provided by the contractor, but if you're tasked with getting it to the jobsite, be sure to charge for that... just because you gave him a SF price for the deck doesn't mean you can't charge for other services if they are needed (i.e. - material ordering/handling, dumpster, stairs, etc.) separately using a Change Order...

Just be clear on what your SF price includes and does not include so any Change Order you submit makes sense to the contractor...

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So basically you just LOMP everything together.
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The reason I give s.f. prices is solely for the benefit of the client. Helps them understand the price, and the cost of any additional decking or railing they may add later.

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I always did pricing by the sq. ft. too. Each type of decking has a price and is only a base. Then you add on for rails which have a linear ft. price. Skirting, stairs, stain or paint, added height, every little thing has a number to plug in. Permit cost, expediter, and engineering fees are figured per job accordingly.

Like Mike said, not only does it make it easier to figure out your bid but, also easier to explain to the customer the bottom line number. If they say it goes over their budget you don't lower the price per ft. you take something off they can live without for the time being.
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I feel like some of us are talking about two different things. I know contractors that want a square foot price, usually for ballpark estimating, that includes everything so they don't have to talk to the deck guy to submit a bid. Most of you are talking about a system of estimating that includes a square foot price for the deck only with add-ons for each other component, which means you need to have a set of plans and submit a bid.

The first type of contractor doesn't want a bid. He wants to set the price and then tell the sub that that's the price, take it or leave it, because he used their square foot price.
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There's also 2 types of projects/GC's: remodel and new construction. There's a big difference between them and how the project is done and therefore affects the price per sq ft.

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