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Old 07-07-2015, 09:29 PM   #61
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I don't mean to change the direction here, but we harp on Hack Tradesman, Crappy Inspectors, and DIY Warriors....

When are the Highway Robbery Home Inspectors gonna hold some responsibility for some of this garbage. I have looked at more projects (decks in particularly) for couples who just purchased a home. Home Inspectors say great home you got here, that will be THREE FIDY. Then two weeks later they are getting a thousands of dollars in repair bills.

Especially with Decks and Roofs they can see that half of these are sheer surprises to still be staining and the other half are code nightmares.

One things I have learned, and love, a Home Inspector will never recommend me, I don't attach my reputation to those crooks. I'm done ranting now
Couldn't agree more - called out to extend this deck today, just finished this year by the home builder. Think the inspector noted that it's supported by 4x4s with a 12' span between them, loaded up by paslodes, no hangers, I could go on and on.

Asked them if the inspector mentioned anything about the deck....crickets.
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Old 07-07-2015, 09:35 PM   #62
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Couldn't agree more - called out to extend this deck today, just finished this year by the home builder. Think the inspector noted that it's supported by 4x4s with a 12' span between them, loaded up by paslodes, no hangers, I could go on and on.

Asked them if the inspector mentioned anything about the deck....crickets.
The IRC doesn't require that to be permitted or inspected.

I Believe it's 105.3.2

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That's actually really good for a muni, our code office literally has some text typed on paper they hand you - I'll share if I can find
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That's actually really good for a muni, our code office literally has some text typed on paper they hand you - I'll share if I can find
The irc isn't a muni. We have some muni's that make you get permits for wooden fences over 3'
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Although few want to pay for it and it isn't asthetically pleasing free standing double beam decks are the way to go...eliminates the need for hangers and hanger failure....I'm a big fan of sway bracing too......long joist spans should be bridged as well....too many people out there just don't get the word......LOAD.....if you don't understand it.....don't build it
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The IRC doesn't require that to be permitted or inspected.

I Believe it's 105.3.2
The irc doesn't specify no 4x4s, only 6x6s can be used as posts?
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The irc isn't a muni. We have some muni's that make you get permits for wooden fences over 3'
Cali what the heck you talking about the irc isn't a muni - I was pointing out that his muni did a good job of putting together that deck guide
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Cali what the heck you talking about the irc isn't a muni - I was pointing out that his muni did a good job of putting together that deck guide
I thought you were talking about my post. You posted right after me and didn't quote anyone. Sorry.
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Although few want to pay for it and it isn't asthetically pleasing free standing double beam decks are the way to go...eliminates the need for hangers and hanger failure....I'm a big fan of sway bracing too......long joist spans should be bridged as well....too many people out there just don't get the word......LOAD.....if you don't understand it.....don't build it
I still put a row of blocks at each beam line with a Simpson A-35F from block to beam. It makes for a better joists to beam connection. You can see what I'm talking about if you pull in the picture here.
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I did but my CT app has been going crazy - it will quote things that I've never even seen etc. Who knows
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There's nothing wrong with a flush beam, but it needs to have hangers with six or more nails into the beam for each joist for it to properly support the structure. I avoid flush beams because I like the look of a cantilevered deck more and it's much easier to lay out piers when you don't need to be as precise.
WHAT!!!!!!!!!

Not be precise, I've been flayed alive by some of the "better than Thou" deck builders on this very forum for being less than perfect. I find it impossible to believe there are other "humans" on this forum.
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Flush beams are also good if you're doing a 2 story deck or a roof over a deck. It's nice to run those 6x6s from the ground all the way up.

Can't do that with a cantilever beam obviously
It's also nice if the customer doesn't want that big-bold beam look and wants the underneath closed off.
Some people love the beam look, some don't.
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Couldn't agree more - called out to extend this deck today, just finished this year by the home builder. Think the inspector noted that it's supported by 4x4s with a 12' span between them, loaded up by paslodes, no hangers, I could go on and on.

Asked them if the inspector mentioned anything about the deck....crickets.
Looks like maybe faux rock skirting...
Is that a mobile?

I never tie into mobiles. Some mgfrs will void warranties for later water intrusion to the flooring and framing.

I would try to sell them on some skirting...dresses things up nicely.
Behind the skirting you can add posts wherever needed.

We do 1-2 mobiles a week.
Some are just economy quickies and some are intended to live as long as the new home.

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