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Old 05-16-2016, 09:24 PM   #1
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35 Year Old Deck


It's not often I get to redo something I build 35 years ago,so thought I'd share the experience.

Built this about 1980,all .40 PT,so seeing how the fasteners held up
was my first concern.

All galv. joist hangers and the nails used to secure them were in excellent shape.Probably because they were protected from direct ran,
since all the nails in the decking were pretty much eaten away.
Most of the decking came up by hand.

Joist hanger nails were hot dipped,decking nails I believe were also hot dipped spiral #10.Kind of hard to tell,since they're almost non existent.

Rail bottom nails held up good(#12 HD)had a hard time with an 8#sledge trying to budge them,most spindles split leaving the nails,cutting them was faster.

All the 5/4 decking was tight as a frog's azz so it held water.Original spacing,was the thickness of the #12 spikes for dry material.

Posts were buried below grade 2' on top of footings.
The below grade part of the posts look new.
I remember hitting the water table at about 30"and waiting a couple of weeks to see if it went down.Pretty sure I just poured the redi-mix
into the tubes dry since the water stayed and pumping failed to bring the level down.

I know the post is under sized and shouldn't have been notched for the rim joist,but I was a rookie then and that's the way I was taught.
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Old 05-16-2016, 09:37 PM   #2
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That CC treated holds up!

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I'm still impressed.
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I still get impressed.
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Interesting post Old One. Thanks !

I my own self am rebuilding a 16 year old project. Low to the ground with 2x6'' con ht redwood decking. Frame is still good that ol CCA was bullet proof. Not enough gap with the decking and the gun nails definitely failed.

We all have learned a lot over the years. I don't even use a nail gun anymore building decks. Griprite screws and SS trim screws now.

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I just tore off a 20 year old deck to build a new one. Kind of interesting. 12 x 20 PT frame with cedar decking and rails.

The ledger was nailed to the house only. No lags. It took some serious force to pull it off.

The ledger was installed directly over housewrap and had a site bend aluminum L flashing over the top. No rot behind the ledger.

Joist hangers on the ledger nailed in maybe half the holes with galvi spikes just bent over.

Flush beam was nailed to the front of the joists with 4 nails each, no hangers.

The PT frame was in very good shape. The cedar top decking was rotting.
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I remember using 20 penny galv pole barn nails to fasten the joists/ledgers.

Those would be a real pain to get out. Many of the old ways were good ways. But it all depended on the quality of the framing material.

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Feel old?
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It is way out of tolerance and in desperate need of recalibration . "

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Interesting post Old One. Thanks !

I my own self am rebuilding a 16 year old project. Low to the ground with 2x6'' con ht redwood decking. Frame is still good that ol CCA was bullet proof. Not enough gap with the decking and the gun nails definitely failed.

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J. Do you screw your Hanger's in too?
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Unless I have to use them for some reason I don't use hangers at all. Sometimes if I am fastening a beam in but almost never for joists.

Two of those green 3 1/2'' griprite screws do the job better than a hanger.

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Unless I have to use them for some reason I don't use hangers at all. Sometimes if I am fastening a beam in but almost never for joists.

Two of those green 3 1/2'' griprite screws do the job better than a hanger.

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Head Loks, imo, can really dress out rim joists/beams on a simple pt deck, although they aren't cheap.
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Head Loks, imo, can really dress out rim joists/beams on a simple pt deck, although they aren't cheap.
They're not that expensive either. I probably go through a box or two per deck.
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The last deck frame I did I gun nailed it together then doubled up with structural screws. I still don't trust either with the new PT lumber. At the time, I was still stuck using carriage bolts for major connections.

Fasteners are the cheapest part of a deck, even when you get expensive ones.
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The last deck frame I did I gun nailed it together then doubled up with structural screws. I still don't trust either with the new PT lumber. At the time, I was still stuck using carriage bolts for major connections.

Fasteners are the cheapest part of a deck, even when you get expensive ones.
FastenMaster has revolutionized deck building, imo.
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I remember when screw guns revolutionized the industry. Yeah I'm that old.
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When I first saw the Makita 12 volt I actually said " that little thing can't drive lag bolts !"

Boy was I wrong, I still have a couple of those 12 V around they never did give it up just the batteries did.

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I remember when screw guns revolutionized the industry. Yeah I'm that old.
I remember when nobody had decks. And suddenly, it was like they had just invented the hula-hoop.

18% interest rates meant damned few people were buying new houses, but plenty wanted to do upgrades, and back then, folks had savings accounts.

(For those wondering what they are, both hula-hoops and savings accounts can be found using Google)

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You done good old one, 35 years out of deck. I know I've torn down a lot of decks that never made it that long.
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I just tore off a 20 year old deck to build a new one. Kind of interesting. 12 x 20 PT frame with cedar decking and rails.
The ledger was installed directly over housewrap and had a site bend aluminum L flashing over the top. No rot behind the ledger.

The only flashing on this one was over the ledger,nothing behind it,not even felt.

The house had been stripped and resided 15 years ago by someone I worked for back in the 70's.
A bit disappointed he used fan fold instead of house wrap,this crap is falling apart.
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