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Old 09-25-2018, 10:26 AM   #1
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What's The "right" Way To Deal With This Switch Issue?


House built before electricity. Obviously switch placement was not a concern while framing and everything is retrofitted.

Here's my issue, I have a first floor guest bedroom on the other side of a shared foyer wall. Due to the positioning of the staircase in the foyer, there is literally one exact spot I can put the foyer switch bank(foyer, porch, and front yard). Additionally, on the other side of that wall is the only spot I can put my switches for the guest bedroom. You have the door to your right, where obviously you can't have a switch, then to the left you end up going too far away from the door and run into that horrible user experience where your elderly relative visiting from out of town can't find the switch when they walk into the dark room.
So basically I've got one stud bay to put the bedroom switches in, and there's already an existing 3-gang box in the foyer side.
Is the right move to simply lower the bedroom switches down to 44"(foyer side is 48" to the top of the box) or should I be moving the foyer side too and splitting the difference? Is there such thing as a pancake switch box to deal with this?
My responsibility here is cutting the holes and doing the spackle/paint, but I wanna make it nice. You know, take care of my electric bros.

Thanks for your input.
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Re: What's The "right" Way To Deal With This Switch Issue?


Perhaps some combo of surface mount, a lighted switch for the guests, a double switch or two, etc.

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I was thinking about sinking a surface mount back into the plaster so that it would only be protruding about 1/2" past the surface, and really wouldn't look that bad. Plus it's the guest room. Take it or hit the bricks, buddy.
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I was thinking about sinking a surface mount back into the plaster so that it would only be protruding about 1/2" past the surface, and really wouldn't look that bad. Plus it's the guest room. Take it or hit the bricks, buddy.
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This kinda stuff bugs me more than anything in construction. There's so many square feet of wall space in this house and the difference between an awesome job and a kinda weird job comes down to negotiating for half an inch of wiggle room. Like, come on, man. If these guys had just started their framing pulling from the other side of the room I'd have it. If they'd used modern 2x4's instead of true 2x4's I'd have it. If they decided to put the foyer switches on the opposite wall I'd have it.
So frustrating. Don't worry. I'll persevere.
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Is the right move to simply lower the bedroom switches down to 44"(foyer side is 48" to the top of the box)
Yes. That's still well within range of a questing hand in the dark, allows a flush mount, and moving the other just makes more work with no real gain.
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There is always the Philips Hue (or similar) wifi bulbs with remote wall switches.

https://www.amazon.com/Philips-Hue-D...e+switch&psc=1
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Thanks, dudes.

Good thing I opened it up.. The wiring in the existing box is beyond f'd. Loose splices BEHIND the box, packed with newspaper for extra flammability. Knob and tube in and out of the box. Willy nilly romex joining with the knob. Yowza.
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Absolutely. I wouldn't perform this kind of butchery on somebody else's home.

It always cracks me up when people ask me, "Well what would you do if it was your house?"

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Absolutely. I wouldn't perform this kind of butchery on somebody else's home.

It always cracks me up when people ask me, "Well what would you do if it was your house?"

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I don't get why you just don't put an old work box in there at whatever height you want, it can sit right next to tbe existing.

I've also seen boxes that go straight through a wall and get deviced on both sides. I haven't looked for those in decades, and they wouldn't be a HD item...
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My wife came up with a pretty cool design solution to this. Instead of a single door, have french doors with frosted glass. Two 15" doors instead of one 30" door means that the box being pushed a little farther from the door will "make sense."
Cool idea and I honestly have never seen french doors as entry doors to a room. It works because it's a guest room and if they don't like it they can ****ing go somewhere else.
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A 15” French door will have to be custom, the glass will be 5” wide at most. Next idea
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I've seen french doors as a room entry. They used a wide opening.
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fasten the two boxes together, BACK TO BACK, with strain relievers? at the usual height.
2 - 2.25"x 3.25" x 2.00", room for 5? 12 gauge wires each box?

install a LED lighted switch, for the guests....

Install an old school closet lamp with a pull chain hanging where missing switch "should" be... the lamp used to light up the room to find the ceiling lamp switch.

Old farm house.....

Install a motion detector light switch......WE HAVE A WINNER.
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I've seen french doors as a room entry. They used a wide opening.
It’s done all of the time
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Use a light with a pull string.
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The whole point is getting rid of the pull chains. I'm fine with them, but everyone I love is a moron and can't handle it. Plus kids like to jump on the bed and yank on the chain.
People out here literally yanking my chain. Enough is enough. No mas, as Roberto Duran would say.

4G, I dig the back to back idea, but it would mean addressing the existing cluster****, which I have neither the time or money to deal with right now. Moving it to the side works alright for now.
LED nightlight switch I think is a go though. My buddy came by last night and brought that idea up. Told me his wife loves it.

HD, check em. https://www.doortodoorco.com/product...4aAoD4EALw_wcB

First hit on google. I think I'll be able to find a wide enough glass size to look alright in the 30" opening. Price isn't wonderful, but whatever. Should only have to buy them once... theoretically.
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I think someone already mentioned it, but what about a remote switch. I have them in my shop because there was no way I was going to wire all that up. You'd need to find a socket version of the receiver.

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