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Old 06-16-2007, 11:32 PM   #21
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anyone used those new in wall splices i saw them in the supply house the other day how can they be legal
Are you referring to a flying splice ?
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Old 06-16-2007, 11:39 PM   #22
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Are you referring to a flying splice ?
Not exactly...


http://www.smarthome.com/7104.html

Something like that item.
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Thanks for that tidbit. Surely you know that electricians are prima donnas? Consequently, if you want to puch me or something "unexpected" like that, PM me and I'll give you my home address. I'm a real man too. I'm not as much wound up as I simply don't tolerate incorrect information very kindly, particilarly from someone who operates in California.

The switch location in the photo is NOT a wet area, or many other building code matters related to wet areas would have come into play.
I don't know what "puch" means, but here in California no electrical inspector would approve that installation. Go to iccsafe.org and post the pic there and see what real electrical inspectors would do.

I do know that electricians are prima donnas, and as a prima donna I can't tolerate you having an opinion contrary to mine.
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Wire6.....Relax guy.
Don't take being incorrect as a personal attack. MD is probably one of the most knowledgeable electricians you will ever have the privlidge of communicating with. And deep down he does like guys from CA!!!LOL

As for your topic, it will pass. I have seen worse pass. If it didn't pass, a code site would be requested and the inspector would be wrong. That switch is clearly out of the "wet" area. It's a crap install, but a legal one.

Myself and many others have challanged MD on a number of issues related to electrical (and other trades) and he is almost always correct. Yeah, it gets annoying after a while but his info is sound.
If you really want to make this site work for you, ask him in detail to explain why it's legal, and how it would have needed to be to not be legal.
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I don't know what "puch" means, but here in California no electrical inspector would approve that installation. Go to iccsafe.org and post the pic there and see what real electrical inspectors would do.

I do know that electricians are prima donnas, and as a prima donna I can't tolerate you having an opinion contrary to mine.


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... here in California no electrical inspector would approve that installation. Go to iccsafe.org and post the pic there and see what real electrical inspectors would do.
Unless these inspectors you speak of are using some other set of rules not contained within the NEC, the install is 100% legitimate and passes NEC code with flying colors.
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My neighbor is a nuclear electrician. On his home, he had a breaker weld itself to the bus bar. He was standing in a puddle of water trying to remove it from the live 100 amp panel with a pair of pliers......
Is a nuclear electrician superior to any other elecrtician?
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"Is a nuclear electrician superior to any other elecrtician?"

Probably not, but he would apparently be less conductive.
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I was doing the drywall on a job once and the power CO came out and switched the house over from the temp to the main panel... Without any breakers in the panel (except for the main) without any cover etc... (But that's all normal for our area for some dumb reason.) Any way I carry a spare breaker for reasons such as this and so I went to snap it into the panel and bumped the main ground wire before I turned off the main breaker. Well apparently the main ground wire had never been connected and was just hanging loose in the panel because it swung over and hit the hot terminals. Good thing I was wearing a full spray suit mask and gloves, because I got showered in molten metal! Melted all into my hat and suit... I'm sure they had to replace something. Several of the terminals were toast. Maybe the electrician will be more carefull next time... Maybe.
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Any way I carry a spare breaker for reasons such as this


Maybe the electrician will be more carefull next time... Maybe.
LMAO..sure...blame the electrician.

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Someone had install gas installed at a house I worked on today. The electrician had to install a new outlet for the logs. He had run it outside the house along the wall about 50' of uf wire. Maybe secured it in 5 places, and 4 of those were zip ties to a gas line for the logs. Obviously no permit.

I ask the homeowner about it she, had us redo all of it.
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Is a nuclear electrician superior to any other elecrtician?
I'd like to think they are, but from skyhook's post it would appear they might be a little dumber.
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"Is a nuclear electrician superior to any other elecrtician?"
Yes. They glow in the dark.
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LMAO..sure...blame the electrician.

You're lucky you're not dead.

See quote below VVV

Why am I not suprised that this guys a sheetrocker?

By the way, whats up with the power company juicing up a panel without a final service inspection (or did the inspector not see that the neutral conductor wasn't tied in)? Whenever I do a service in new construction I almost always leave one circuit breaker controlling one GFCI receptacle beneath the panel so the sheetrockers don't have happen what happened to this guy.
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Today I saw a white "positive" tied into a breaker, and the black "negative" tied into the neutral buss.
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To many scary instances to list them all, but heres 3 1) Grandma gets shocked in the nursery visiting here new grandchild because the supposed licensed electrician didn't think to bond to building steel on a 480 to 208VAC transformer.

2) I found all sub panels in a new building bonded to neutral.

3) Same job I opened a gutter with neutrals all tied together for 2 to 3 circuits for each phase.

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I was doing the drywall on a job once and the power CO came out and switched the house over from the temp to the main panel... Without any breakers in the panel (except for the main) without any cover etc... (But that's all normal for our area for some dumb reason.) Any way I carry a spare breaker for reasons such as this and so I went to snap it into the panel and bumped the main ground wire before I turned off the main breaker. Well apparently the main ground wire had never been connected and was just hanging loose in the panel because it swung over and hit the hot terminals. Good thing I was wearing a full spray suit mask and gloves, because I got showered in molten metal! Melted all into my hat and suit... I'm sure they had to replace something. Several of the terminals were toast. Maybe the electrician will be more carefull next time... Maybe.

you prove the point that drywallers have no business in an electrical panel. And shame on the electrician who left a panel wide open to get turned on like that.
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well I don't know if this is scary or not- but we are currently buying a house, 19 yrs old. We hired a house inspector- he found a 60 amp breaker on the "main" and a 100 amp breaker on the "sub" this seems backwards to me somehow- we are hiring an electrician to fix this-
also what do you guys think of "trane" (spelling might be wrong) we have to replace the furnace (gas) and we were thinking of a heat pump type of thing, one of our friends recommended a "trane" brand.

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I was doing the drywall on a job once and the power CO came out and switched the house over from the temp to the main panel... Without any breakers in the panel (except for the main) without any cover etc... (But that's all normal for our area for some dumb reason.) Any way I carry a spare breaker for reasons such as this and so I went to snap it into the panel and bumped the main ground wire before I turned off the main breaker. Well apparently the main ground wire had never been connected and was just hanging loose in the panel because it swung over and hit the hot terminals. Good thing I was wearing a full spray suit mask and gloves, because I got showered in molten metal! Melted all into my hat and suit... I'm sure they had to replace something. Several of the terminals were toast. Maybe the electrician will be more carefull next time... Maybe.
POCO here will not install the meter without a panel cover. A temp outlet is also required for service inspection. (residential)

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