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Old 11-18-2014, 09:41 PM   #1
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I need to switch a light on and off, on an always-on branch. Magical switch/transmitter in switch box plus receiver/relay/switch in ceiling box, I suppose. Surely this exists. Yes/no? Recommendations?
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I need to switch a light on and off, on an always-on branch. Magical switch/transmitter in switch box plus receiver/relay/switch in ceiling box, I suppose. Surely this exists. Yes/no? Recommendations?
huh? Can you give a different explanation of what you're trying to do? (I'd say better explanation, but I could just be sleepy and it'd make more sense in the morning!)
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Umm......Run a switch leg, if power goes to the box.

Or...

Cut the hot, add switch, if power comes from below.

I must not be understanding the dilemma.




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Customer has 2 receptacles and 1 ceiling light on a single circuit, controlled by a switch. She would like the receptacles not to be switched. There are no other conductors in the boxes.
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Customer has 2 receptacles and 1 ceiling light on a single circuit, controlled by a switch. She would like the receptacles not to be switched. There are no other conductors in the boxes.
Sounds to me like your opening drywall.
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Umm......Run a switch leg, if power goes to the box.

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Cut the hot, add switch, if power comes from below.

I must not be understanding the dilemma.


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Not going to run a switch leg. She'd rather leave it as is than pay for running new wires, texture wall repairs. This isn't a priority for her, but I told her I'd look at options.

Cutting the hot won't work because the switch location would be unacceptable.

Tin's idea of the ceiling fan remote may work.
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Customer has 2 receptacles and 1 ceiling light on a single circuit, controlled by a switch. She would like the receptacles not to be switched. There are no other conductors in the boxes.

Then you need one of these

http://www.affordablequalitylighting...FW8V7AodDwQAHQ
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Sounds to me like your opening drywall.
It's just a "while you're at it" item. I'll crawl around below the house and see if there are any other options. It's knob and tube plus some 1980's remodeling - maybe I can find some spare juice.
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With a little attic crawling, and/or crawlspace crawling, and a remodel bit, it could prooly be done, without drywall repairs, if you've done this sort of thing before.


I done dozens of situations like this, but like you said, if she's not interested in spending the money, well......





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That looks like a winner to me. It's a significant advantage that it's a simple switch.
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Would an occupancy sensor work?
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With a little attic crawling, and/or crawlspace crawling, and a remodel bit, it could prooly be done, without drywall repairs, if you've done this sort of thing before.


I done dozens of situations like this, but like you said, if she's not interested in spending the money, well......
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I'll see what's in the crawlspace. I have other business down there with the stray cats and spiders anyway.
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Customer has 2 receptacles and 1 ceiling light on a single circuit, controlled by a switch. She would like the receptacles not to be switched. There are no other conductors in the boxes.
Gotcha...yeah, sounds like you may need another wire run to the switch, or as suggested, some sort of wireless switch...They are far better now than when I first got some...and you're dealing with Knob/Tube...have fun with that too
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Would an occupancy sensor work?
Good question. I don't think so, because it's the main living room lights. It's a funny place - it's like a Hollywood bungalow compound, on a hill in S.F.. Construction was done in 1942. I think I've mentioned the place in another thread - the plank sheathing is old packing crates from military suppliers in San Francisco. They were scrounging whatever they could during the war.
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Have you looked in the ceiling box? Around here the ceiling box is often the J box , to have what you describe they would have had to ran power to SW first then to rec and light. Sounds like a sw leg is wired wrong


I have on several ocasions seen where someone mixed up wires and made for what you describe. In old work wires often look the same and are not colored anymore and connections looked bad so people redo them and there you go a mix up.
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It was originally switched receptacles. Sometime (80s?) they ran new conductor up to the ceiling, which is exposed rafters/T&G sheathing in that room and ran surface raceway over to the light fixture. Yeah, most knob and tube runs in ceilings, but with the exposed ceilings here it's all in the walls.
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Bob....

I have no idea of your aesthetic configuration/restraints, but you can get a battery powered remote swithch- to- plug in receptical at any X-mas display for $10.

Could that work???? I did it once but had to hide the recepical part in a recessed (but accesable Jbox)...

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