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Old 05-13-2019, 10:27 AM   #1
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Replacing Failing Shower Can To LED


- Fixing this for father who has dementia...would appreciate help as the rest of the shower has safety treads, non-slip floor mat (outside) and chorded shower head.

Guessing that moisture has gotten in this fixture and there hasn't been much fan circulation over the nook shower.

Put in a new typical bulb that blew right out.

- What type of LED might be adapted to where I won't have to replace the whole can from the topside?

- Does LED need to be moisture rated?

- I see where the riveted contacts appear rusted but is the two pair yellow/black comparable to the newer orange/black? That existing black takes a jog off to the right up in there and I'm not sure why.
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They make and I've used an LED replacement that fits into the existing can...and has a threaded male fitting like a light bulb that screws into the existing socket.

But that probably won't be of any help if a regular bulb burns out immediately. Sounds like the problem is further up the line.

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If that's over a shower, get a wet location rated fixture and trim. Even better, get an LED puck rated for it.

The black lead takes a jog over to a thermal interrupt switch, I believe.
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If that's over a shower, get a wet location rated fixture and trim. Even better, get an LED puck rated for it.

The black lead takes a jog over to a thermal interrupt switch, I believe.
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Or something like this, with what you have. Make sure the bulb can be fully enclosed in the fixture.

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... Sounds like the problem is further up the line.
How to determine this...

Could rusty/degrading contacts cause bulb burnout?

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If that's over a shower, get a wet location rated fixture and trim. Even better, get an LED puck rated for it.

The black lead takes a jog over to a thermal interrupt switch, I believe.
Could a faulty interrupt burn out a bulb?

Wondering if an LED like the Torchstar could be clipped into the yellow/black direct - if I can find a way to crimp those from both sides.
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Lots of Q's;

Might this do the trick?
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Halo-RL-5-in-and-6-in-White-Integrated-LED-Recessed-Ceiling-Light-Fixture-Retrofit-Downlight-at-90-CRI-3000K-Soft-White-RL560WH6930R/204347762


Do LED retro's/cans even need to be IC rated?

Do the retro's normally come with the other "unconnected" half? if not, can I simply clip and apply my own double half connector (pic)? Plus + whether to connect prior to or after the thermal interrupt?

Although it would by nice to know what is cause of bulb blowout before doing.

Hiking up in the attic to do a whole LED wouldn't be easy - the shower is near the outer wall/scrunched eve area.
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Installed a 3000k, 700 lumen Juno (10 watt) that was far too bright (dementia person)

Tried a 2700 - 3000 k 700 lumen Commercial Electric also too bright.

Only other wet location retrofit I can find that is less is the Halo RL56, at 610 lumen 8 watt.

Is there such a thing as a 6 watt wet location retrofit? I think we need about 500 lumens to make it not too harsh for this person. Who cannot deal with a dimmer switch or we'd do one.

I think the only other alternative is to find a wet location trim kit and put in a 40 watt or 6o watt bulb. Unless I'm missing something.
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Installed a 3000k, 700 lumen Juno (10 watt) that was far too bright (dementia person)

Tried a 2700 - 3000 k 700 lumen Commercial Electric also too bright.

Only other wet location retrofit I can find that is less is the Halo RL56, at 610 lumen 8 watt.

Is there such a thing as a 6 watt wet location retrofit? I think we need about 500 lumens to make it not too harsh for this person. Who cannot deal with a dimmer switch or we'd do one.

I think the only other alternative is to find a wet location trim kit and put in a 40 watt or 6o watt bulb. Unless I'm missing something.
Can you put a dimmer switch in, adjust to the correct brightness for them and fix the switch so it can't move?

Don't know if that's possible, but just a thought I had.....


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Can you put a dimmer switch in, adjust to the correct brightness for them and fix the switch so it can't move?

Don't know if that's possible, but just a thought I had.....
Don't know if that can be done either but, to give you an idea, he's counting the number of lights over the vanity. Too much. If it wasn't it would've been too few

Everything must be translated to the simplest form possible. Is about the only way I can put it. He's been in advanced stages...many minute things are a potential source of bother that is obsessed over constantly.

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Don't know if that can be done either but, to give you an idea, he's counting the number of lights over the vanity. Too much. If it wasn't it would've been too few

Everything must be translated to the simplest form possible. Is about the only way I can put it. He's been in advanced stages...many minute things are a potential source of bother that is obsessed over constantly.
Then try using the original trim and cover with a LED 40 watt equivalent bulb (soft white, 2700k)..or even a 25watt equivalent if it's still too bright.
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Can you put a dimmer switch in, adjust to the correct brightness for them and fix the switch so it can't move?

Don't know if that's possible, but just a thought I had.....


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That right there. Dimmer switch with the little slide dimmer. Once it's adjusted it's simple on and off for them.
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Then try using the original trim and cover with a LED 40 watt equivalent bulb (soft white, 2700k)..or even a 25watt equivalent if it's still too bright.
Original trim is marginal at best.

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