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Old 04-11-2016, 09:22 PM   #1
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Hi,

Im looking to see if someone has a solution for me. I have a light at the stair landing on my project that has a surface mounted fixture. Plaster ceiling with a cut in box and only about 3.5 in of depth from finished face to a duct above. Client wants the look of a recessed light, but I haven't been able to find a fixture that works with the depth constraint. Anyone have any ideas?

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Old 04-11-2016, 09:28 PM   #2
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The newer LED "can" lights can make that clearance with no problem.

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I use the 6" in closets.

http://www.junolightinggroup.com/Wha...e=newsArticle4

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My electrician likes these for closets. Could do what you need. They look real nice.

http://www.kichler.com/products/prod...-wh-43846.aspx
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Perfect thanks for the quick responses. I knew there had to be a solution. Those surface mounts are slick. Much appreciated!

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Perfect thanks for the quick responses. I knew there had to be a solution. Those surface mounts are slick. Much appreciated!

Be careful as the Halo ones need at least a 2 1/2" deep box for the driver to fit in.
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http://www.lotusledlights.com/recess.../9w-super-thin
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Nice setup but that is a 4" fixture. Wonder why they don't make a 6" unit
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Be careful as the Halo ones need at least a 2 1/2" deep box for the driver to fit in.
Thanks for this info. I haven't used one of them yet but have been tempted.
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Thanks for the help everyone! Ended up going with a halo from the depot. Here's a couple finished pics. Used a 3 1\2 round box as it was existing. Don't recommend. Barely fit. Appreciate the input.
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Thanks for the help everyone! Ended up going with a halo from the depot. Here's a couple finished pics. Used a 3 1\2 round box as it was existing. Don't recommend. Barely fit. Appreciate the input.
You got it in a 1 5/8" deep box? If so then they changed the setup. It was actually in the instruction to use a 2 1/2" box
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This is from the installation instructions.... http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/pdf...0d02af754f.pdf

I guess it was 2 1/8" deep not 2 1/2" -- sorry

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ELECTRICAL JUNCTION BOXES
Mounting to recessed mounted standard
junction boxes
NOTE: The module installs onto many standard
recessed ceiling and wall mounted junction boxes
(Fig. 1).
- 4 octagon; 2 1/8 Deep
- 4 square; 2 1/8 Deep
- 4 round; 2 1/8 Deep
(Box types and site condition vary. Installer to ensure
compatibility at fit, wiring and proper mounting.)
The junction box must be a minimum 2 1/8 inch in depth
for proper installation. Recommended boxes shown in
Fig 1
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We use the Halo ones above. We use them quite a bit and they work out great.

Sylvania also makes one. It is a little more rounded than the Halo. I think the Sylvania fits in a smaller box. Also easier to install. The Halo ones can be a little tricky at times. They need to twist into a metal bracket. The Sylvania ones screw right to the holes in the box.
Customers just seem to like the look of the Halo better.

I think this is the Halo one. Same as above, I'm pretty sure.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Halo-5-in...0WHR/204732243

Here is an article about the Sylvania. Talks more about energy efficiency, but gives alot of info about them.
http://energyconservationhowto.blogs...isk-light.html

I believe this is the right one.
http://www.amazon.com/Sylvania-70732.../dp/B00KB9G57C
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This is from the installation instructions.... http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/pdf...0d02af754f.pdf

I guess it was 2 1/8" deep not 2 1/2" -- sorry
I install them in an 1-1/2" box, never needed a 2-1/8" box.

Thinking about it, 1.5" box-5/8" round mud ring.

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I install them in an 1-1/2" box, never needed a 2-1/8" box.

Thinking about it, 1.5" box-5/8" round mud ring.

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Yep 1.5" + 5/8 = 2 1/8" .

It may well fit in a smaller box but there is no room for the driver to breathe. They recommend that 2 1/8" for a reason
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Those Lotus lights are sweet. These are perfect for built-ins.
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I have a service call scheduled for Monday where a HO stuffed one of these into a packed box and shorted things out.

If these things truly take up as much room in the box as it sounds like, I'll bet we'll have this addressed in the next NEC edition.

I'll bet the box fill for these things destroys the normal 1 count for...and 2 count for ....etc when figuring out if its legal to install them.

This should be interesting.
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I have a service call scheduled for Monday where a HO stuffed one of these into a packed box and shorted things out.

If these things truly take up as much room in the box as it sounds like, I'll bet we'll have this addressed in the next NEC edition.

I'll bet the box fill for these things destroys the normal 1 count for...and 2 count for ....etc when figuring out if its legal to install them.

This should be interesting.
Same problem occurs when a guy buys a bunch of big fat dimmers and replaces all his switches in shallow boxes.

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