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Old 12-19-2016, 09:52 PM   #21
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if what you do works for you don't change.

in my case you are not specking out devices to HO....

I am specking them out to you.....

That way I know what I am getting and can guarantee a quality job.

I work WITH my subs not against you guys....
I rarely have a GC spec (not speck) devices to me. They just let me 'do my thing', which includes determining the devices via communication with the HO. They know I don't install cheapo devices, so quality isn't an issue.

The only time the GC tells me what to get is when it's a small job and I'm only going to show up, remove the existing devices and replace them that day. By knowing prior to arrival what to have on the truck, the job goes faster.

A whole house? He's totally hands-off in that department.
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Old 12-19-2016, 09:57 PM   #22
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I rarely have a GC spec (not speck) devices to me. They just let me 'do my thing', which includes determining the devices via communication with the HO. They know I don't install cheapo devices, so quality isn't an issue.

The only time the GC tells me what to get is when it's a small job and I'm only going to show up, remove the existing devices and replace them that day. By knowing prior to arrival what to have on the truck, the job goes faster.

A whole house? He's totally hands-off in that department.
my bad on spelling.....

I am not hands off on calling out what goes in a job.

I run a house just like a commercial job.

EVERYONE knows what is expected of them.

Let me clarify, I am talking about truly custom stuff.
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Any electrical supplier will have different grades of receptacles. Most manufacturers have standard, construction, commercial and hospital.
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...........Let me clarify, I am talking about truly custom stuff.
True, a high-$ custom might invoke a half-day meeting just to discuss devices. What style, color, dimmers (incandescent, LED, CFL....), fan control.......

But a 'normal' house? Nah! HO says light almond, Decora. That's enough for us.
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It could also be the plug. A lamp gets plug in and stays plugged in. A vacuum cleaner plug probably gets the most action of any household appliance as it is moved room to room. You have metal on metal contact. Sooner of later, the plug prongs with wear and get thinner.
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I guess I've been doing it wrong for 20+ years then. And I guess I'll keep doing it wrong for another 20+ years.

Never spec'd devices for a dwelling, and I don't think I ever will. I just ask the HO what color and style. I buy what they want, install it, get paid and sleep well.
Must be an Iowa thing, the houses I have worked on in NJ have spec sheets provided by the design company or the architect. Many houses with a 600 or 800 amp service the EE gets your submittals and okays devices.
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It could also be the plug. A lamp gets plug in and stays plugged in. A vacuum cleaner plug probably gets the most action of any household appliance as it is moved room to room. You have metal on metal contact. Sooner of later, the plug prongs with wear and get thinner.
It's the receptacle more often than not. As 480 said the location of the device is often the key.
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I guess I've been doing it wrong for 20+ years then. And I guess I'll keep doing it wrong for another 20+ years.

Never spec'd devices for a dwelling, and I don't think I ever will. I just ask the HO what color and style. I buy what they want, install it, get paid and sleep well.
Must be an Iowa thing, the houses I have worked on in NJ have spec sheets provided by the design company or the architect. Many houses with a 600 or 800 amp service the EE gets your submittals and okays devices.
I have never wired a house with electrical drawings. Sure, apartment buildings might have them, but I am lucky to get to-scale drawings.
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Out of curiosity, do the Tamper Resistant receptacles have smaller contacts inside for the prongs? By that, I mean, are they not as deep as a non-TR receptacle? The plastic guard that slides out of the way has to consume some of the depth that would have been part of the contacts inside, right?

I have 2 small ones and a house that was build pre-TR NEC, so we put the little plastic receptacle covers over everything before the first one started crawling. My wife is an OCD about cleaning the house and vacuums every day (and I do mean every day), so I found the one receptacle that she could use for the vacuum and reach the whole house and replaced it with a TR. When I plug in the vacuum, it feels like prongs only make contact when it goes the last 1/8" or 3/16" of the way into the receptacle, like there is not much length of connector actually grabbing the prongs. I can plug it into any of the old receptacles and I feel the resistance on the prongs for a much larger distance, like the connectors are grabbing a full 1/2" of the prongs.
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General observations:

Service failure rate is inverse to unit cost, Labor is majority of install, why install near crap?

Don't use the outlet to straighten bent prongs, use a pliers instead.
Better yet DON'T bend them.

Change the cord to one with a ground lug even if not required, the ground plug forcing proper alignment when installing and removing cord plug...

install Quad receptacles for high demand areas, bedrooms, family rooms etc, kitchen counters.

Install 240 Volt AC outlets for appliances with switchable Voltage inputs, twice the Volts 1/2 the Amps = longer life. Like computer equipment, or dual Voltage shop machinery, some microwaves.( the Voltage drop across the outlet is 1/2 the total applied and its only 1/2 the current=cooler, longer lasting outlet/plug.)

Use only 12 gauge wire on outlet circuits...(Again less V drop, less heat in outlet)
Install 20 Amp rated outlets where 15 Amp constant loads occour...fuzed 15 Amp of course.
Install single plex outlet for near 15 Amp loads with dedicated circuit.

Install outlet where the owner can reach it easily, not at legacy heights of 18" above FFL (still looking HUD has minimum of 15" AFFL) max 44"

Check appliances for warm plugs that weaken spring tension in outlets faster. Replace or repair appliance/ plug.

Change work habits that damage the cord/outlets, quit pulling on cord wire instead of actual plug, pull out and install perpendicular to the wall.
Train users and owners....

Consider eliminating plug/outlet with a direct connection on rarely remove appliances, fridge, oven, stove, furnace freezer, door openers....Air conditioners.

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Service life is inverse to unit cost, Labor is majority of install, why install near crap?
Whut?

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Install 240 Volt AC outlets for appliances with switchable Voltage inputs, twice the Volts 1/2 the Amps = longer life.
Whut?

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Use only 12 gauge wire on outlet circuits...
Whut?

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Install outlet where the owner can reach it easily, not at legacy heights of 18" above FFL
Whut?

Regarding that last one, it's not 18", it's hammer height. Look it up.

Leaving out the above, you do have some good thoughts.
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General observations:

Service failure rate is inverse to unit cost, Labor is majority of install, why install near crap?

Don't use the outlet to straighten bent prongs, use a pliers instead.
Better yet DON'T bend them.

Change the cord to one with a ground lug even if not required, the ground plug forcing proper alignment when installing and removing cord plug...

install Quad receptacles for high demand areas, bedrooms, family rooms etc, kitchen counters.

Install 240 Volt AC outlets for appliances with switchable Voltage inputs, twice the Volts 1/2 the Amps = longer life. Like computer equipment, or dual Voltage shop machinery, some microwaves.( the Voltage drop across the outlet is 1/2 the total applied and its only 1/2 the current=cooler, longer lasting outlet/plug.)

Use only 12 gauge wire on outlet circuits...(Again less V drop, less heat in outlet)
Install 20 Amp rated outlets where 15 Amp constant loads occour...fuzed 15 Amp of course.
Install single plex outlet for near 15 Amp loads with dedicated circuit.

Install outlet where the owner can reach it easily, not at legacy heights of 18" above FFL (still looking HUD has minimum of 15" AFFL) max 44"

Check appliances for warm plugs that weaken spring tension in outlets faster. Replace or repair appliance/ plug.

Change work habits that damage the cord/outlets, quit pulling on cord wire instead of actual plug, pull out and install perpendicular to the wall.
Train users and owners....

Consider eliminating plug/outlet with a direct connection on rarely remove appliances, fridge, oven, stove, furnace freezer, door openers....Air conditioners.
Thanks for sharing your OPINION......I guess.
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Its suggested all lower boxes be installed at an unspecified but identical height, most wire pullers carry a hammer to attach the plastic boxes, instant layout gauge.

RSelectric: @33 above my opinions are based on facts, experience, and education. ignore them as you please, in general the more a fact bothers one, the more likely one's current world view is incorrect...

In the final analysis loose outlets are fire hazards, and need quick replacement.
Not everyone wants the Yugo, most would gladly pay 5% more for the added life time of mid range devices in their homes.
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The youngin' ain't gonna know what that is referring too.
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May wanna keep this in your bag of tricks.
That's not a function of anything the cord end or the receptacle does. It's caused by someone pulling the cord out at an angle.
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