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Old 07-04-2016, 08:46 PM   #1
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Kitchen Island Receptacle Requirements?


How are kitchen counters/workspaces/islands defined by NEC?

I have a project where the client/designer are building a island/dining table combo, in what used to be the dining room. The island will have a 15" overhang on all four sides with seating. The intentions of the client is for it to be a table with storage below.

Not sure how the inspectors will view this one and the 15" overhang poses an issue for the 6" receptacle overhang guidelines.


What do your BI interpret as an island? How would they view this?

Also, any recommendations on a good pop up receptacle?
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Re: Kitchen Island Receptacle Requirements?


Maybe this will help
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Re: Kitchen Island Receptacle Requirements?


Says nothing about overhangs
In my experience, it only matters what my inspectors says. Usually we just call as ask " this is where we would like it to go, any issues? If so where would you like it placed?"

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Re: Kitchen Island Receptacle Requirements?


My local inspector goes by the 6-foot rule. e.g. a recepticle must be accessible from 6 feet anywhere along the wall, or in this case, anywhere along the island.
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Re: Kitchen Island Receptacle Requirements?


Need a little more information:

• Is this island in the dining room or the kitchen?
• Is it mobile?
• Are there any appliances or sinks in the island?

Here’s a picture of how we have handled on one occasion. Brought up through the leg from below. Looks like the legs on yours are large enough for an installation like ours.

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Re: Kitchen Island Receptacle Requirements?


Looking at your sketch it appears to be in a separate, distinct room from the kitchen. If it's not in the kitchen, it's not an island. Enforcing the '09 IRC that we have here, I wouldn't require any receps.
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Re: Kitchen Island Receptacle Requirements?


Davinci, great idea on using the post. That may work well for this install. How did you drill it out? Turned post I've worked with are solid, I'm not sure about these. I believe they are Shenandoah.

The island is fixed and is being placed where the dining room table was. No appliances or sink to be placed on the island. In essence it is a separate room. Cabinets are to be placed on one wall of the dining room as well. There is currently a closet which will have pantry cabinets flushed into the wall. So the kitchen is encroaching into the dining area. Adding cabinets to this area blur the lines of being a separate dining room vs an eat in kitchen. The dining room has general receptacles in compliance with code.


rrk, it was my understanding that receptacle serving a counter area had to be no more than 12" below the counter and could only be placed under an overhang of 6" or less.
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You’re correct, its placement is blurring its relationship to the kitchen (and any code requirements). I would consider how it will be used. If it will be used as an actual island it needs outlets. If it’s going to be used as a dining room table it doesn’t, but I would probably put an outlet or two in the toe kick (especially if there are no outlets in the wall cabinetry - might want to consider outlets in the toe there as well).

Once you’ve determined how it will be used and what you want for outlets, run it by your building department.

The outlets in the legs of the island (there were two), were drilled with a paddle bit and several extensions (it was pucker-up time ). Came out perfect – but I was worried about keeping it straight.

Based on your drawing, you may have an opportunity to bring your wire up through the cabinetry, then run shielded along the underside of the top to the leg/outlet. No?
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IMO, it is in the dining room and is a dining room table. I would probably not fasten the cabinets down and that would verify that it is moveable as a table
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210.52(C)(5) Receptacles Below the Countertop. Exception.
Required outlets shall be mounted not more than 12 in. below the countertop.

Receptacles can be installed below a countertop only if:

They are mounted no more than 12 in. below the counter
The countertop cannot have more than a 6 in. overhang from the support base
There is no other place on the countertop, like a backsplash or underneath a hanging cabinet, to install a receptacle
The kitchen will be used by physically impaired individuals
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rrk, it was my understanding that receptacle serving a counter area had to be no more than 12" below the counter and could only be placed under an overhang of 6" or less.
I meant Gregs link did not mention overhangs.
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My local inspector goes by the 6-foot rule. e.g. a recepticle must be accessible from 6 feet anywhere along the wall, or in this case, anywhere along the island.
Really? What code does he base this on? There is nothing in the NEC that I can think of that would apply like this.

Do that many of you simply go by what the inspector wants as opposed to what the actual code is?
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Need a little more information:

• Is this island in the dining room or the kitchen?
• Is it mobile?
• Are there any appliances or sinks in the island?

Here’s a picture of how we have handled on one occasion. Brought up through the leg from below. Looks like the legs on yours are large enough for an installation like ours.

That looks great but the op has a 15" overhang.

Hopefully the inspector will see this as a table.... If not he could require outlets to 210.52

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210.52(A)(2) Wall Space. As used in this section, a wall space shall
include the following:
(1) Any space 600 mm (2 ft) or more in width (including
space measured around corners) and unbroken along
the floor line by doorways and similar openings, fireplaces,
and fixed cabinets
(2) The space occupied by fixed panels in exterior walls,
excluding sliding panels
(3) The space afforded by fixed room dividers, such as
freestanding bar-type counters or railings
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Re: Kitchen Island Receptacle Requirements?


I think, if you look at the drawings, there is a 15” overhang from the cabinetry. The supporting legs are near the edges.
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I think, if you look at the drawings, there is a 15” overhang from the cabinetry. The supporting legs are near the edges.
Correct. I'm not sure exactly where the post & frame support will fall, but I can't imagine it will be inset any further than 3" from the edge of the stone. Davinci's design would be great. I could also put it on the face of the support rail (3/4" S4S stock), but we will have some sort of additional support tucked behind there, likely angle iron. The steel may interfere with setting a duplex box. I might be able to slide a sillitein there and box out a chase to the cabinets to conceal the romex
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Re: Kitchen Island Receptacle Requirements?


Davinci,

Thank you again for the idea, it was a great solution. The project is underway and I puckered up and got it drilled out this evening.
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