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Old 06-23-2019, 02:18 PM   #21
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Not sure if it's area specific but home inspectors are virtually unheard of when selling a home here unless the buyer demands it and even then most homes are as is no exceptions. It's the dirt that's desired here more than the home in a lot of places. Appraisal is a different thing though and pest inspection as well.


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Hi Calidecks!

You would be 100% correct in your thinking that home inspections might have a location-specific basis to them, just probably not in the exact way you might be thinking.

Home inspections themselves, and how they are performed/executed, and what exactly is accomplished or looked for during each inspection is heavily reliant on the area locale where the inspection is taking place.

For example, in hot humid California, you would expect to see vapor barriers/retarders facing outwards from the home when installed. This helps to keep the warm, moist air from penetrating into the interior of the home.
Up here in Washington where it can get pretty cold and rainy much of the year, you should expect to find vapor barriers/retarders facing inwards TOWARDS the home. This is to help keep the conditioned indoor air inside the home where it belongs, and where you want it.

This is a very simple example of some of the location-based differences you will find where home inspections are concerned.
The standards, building codes, and best practices are determined based on the local climate and environment, which determines what we as home inspectors need to look for, as well as many of the things we need to call out, hence, home inspections have a very local basis to them.

More in line with where you were going with that though, the recognized "need" for home inspections, in general, can be very location specific as well.
For example, if there is a local real estate market that is unusually hot for the area, buyers and sellers alike may forego home inspections because they aren't too worried about what issues the home may have because of the price or opportunity is so good.

Also, it is only within the last 15 to 20 years that home inspections have really begun to enter the forefront of the real estate industry and be included with the majority of home purchases and sales. So there are still areas that have not yet started this practice.

Personally, I fully believe due to the potential that home inspections have to add incredible amounts of information about a property, it's systems and their safety to any possible residents, and not to mention the tendency a good home inspection has to help calm a home buyers nerves in relation to a property, it will not be too long before people realize the incredible value and benefit home inspections have to offer both home buyers, and home sellers!
If you would like more information, I previously wrote a section about the direction the home inspection industry seems to be trending, and how we can stay up with it in the forward to our Standards of Practice!

Lol, I hope this helps you out at all!?

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You would be 100% correct in your thinking that home inspections might have a location-specific basis to them, just probably not in the exact way you might be thinking.



Home inspections themselves, and how they are performed/executed, and what exactly is accomplished or looked for during each inspection is heavily reliant on the area locale where the inspection is taking place.



For example, in hot humid California, you would expect to see vapor barriers/retarders facing outwards from the home when installed. This helps to keep the warm, moist air from penetrating into the interior of the home.

Up here in Washington where it can get pretty cold and rainy much of the year, you should expect to find vapor barriers/retarders facing inwards TOWARDS the home. This is to help keep the conditioned indoor air inside the home where it belongs, and where you want it.



This is a very simple example of some of the location-based differences you will find where home inspections are concerned.

The standards, building codes, and best practices are determined based on the local climate and environment, which determines what we as home inspectors need to look for, as well as many of the things we need to call out, hence, home inspections have a very local basis to them.



More in line with where you were going with that though, the recognized "need" for home inspections, in general, can be very location specific as well.

For example, if there is a local real estate market that is unusually hot for the area, buyers and sellers alike may forego home inspections because they aren't too worried about what issues the home may have because of the price or opportunity is so good.



Also, it is only within the last 15 to 20 years that home inspections have really begun to enter the forefront of the real estate industry and be included with the majority of home purchases and sales. So there are still areas that have not yet started this practice.



Personally, I fully believe due to the potential that home inspections have to add incredible amounts of information about a property, it's systems and their safety to any possible residents, and not to mention the tendency a good home inspection has to help calm a home buyers nerves in relation to a property, it will not be too long before people realize the incredible value and benefit home inspections have to offer both home buyers, and home sellers!

If you would like more information, I previously wrote a section about the direction the home inspection industry seems to be trending, and how we can stay up with it in the forward to our Standards of Practice!



Lol, I hope this helps you out at all!?



Take care and have a wonderful day!


California is far from humid, compared to other parts of the country.


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It's a mixed bag. A lot if the important parts of a building are left out if a home inspection.

I've seen buyer's try to use them as bargaining chips. In a seller's market, they have less sway.
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Hi Calidecks!



You would be 100% correct in your thinking that home inspections might have a location-specific basis to them, just probably not in the exact way you might be thinking.



Home inspections themselves, and how they are performed/executed, and what exactly is accomplished or looked for during each inspection is heavily reliant on the area locale where the inspection is taking place.



For example, in hot humid California, you would expect to see vapor barriers/retarders facing outwards from the home when installed. This helps to keep the warm, moist air from penetrating into the interior of the home.

Up here in Washington where it can get pretty cold and rainy much of the year, you should expect to find vapor barriers/retarders facing inwards TOWARDS the home. This is to help keep the conditioned indoor air inside the home where it belongs, and where you want it.



This is a very simple example of some of the location-based differences you will find where home inspections are concerned.

The standards, building codes, and best practices are determined based on the local climate and environment, which determines what we as home inspectors need to look for, as well as many of the things we need to call out, hence, home inspections have a very local basis to them.



More in line with where you were going with that though, the recognized "need" for home inspections, in general, can be very location specific as well.

For example, if there is a local real estate market that is unusually hot for the area, buyers and sellers alike may forego home inspections because they aren't too worried about what issues the home may have because of the price or opportunity is so good.



Also, it is only within the last 15 to 20 years that home inspections have really begun to enter the forefront of the real estate industry and be included with the majority of home purchases and sales. So there are still areas that have not yet started this practice.



Personally, I fully believe due to the potential that home inspections have to add incredible amounts of information about a property, it's systems and their safety to any possible residents, and not to mention the tendency a good home inspection has to help calm a home buyers nerves in relation to a property, it will not be too long before people realize the incredible value and benefit home inspections have to offer both home buyers, and home sellers!

If you would like more information, I previously wrote a section about the direction the home inspection industry seems to be trending, and how we can stay up with it in the forward to our Standards of Practice!



Lol, I hope this helps you out at all!?



Take care and have a wonderful day!
Most of the RE home inspectors that I have dealt with do a disservice to the buyer and seller.

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Most of the RE home inspectors that I have dealt with do a disservice to the buyer and seller.

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CaliDecks @ #23: My Britannica has California with 16 out of 20 Climate Zones enumerated by the USDA...... some damp, some arid.
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CaliDecks @ #23: My Britannica has California with 16 out of 20 Climate Zones enumerated by the USDA...... some damp, some arid.


I've lived up and down this state, it doesn't have near the humidity anywhere in the state as a lot of states.

Can't think of anytime I've went outside and said, Damn it's humid! I've also lived in Florida and Texas. Both have humidity that's Gawd awful.






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a home inspection report has slightly less value than a piece of used toilet paper...

absolutely ridiculous people actually pay for this garbage...
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a home inspection report has slightly less value than a piece of used toilet paper...

absolutely ridiculous people actually pay for this garbage...
But their lawyers want them to have it.


Correction on my previous post, house was built in 1928. Home Inspector said wire in garage needs to be conduit by licensed electrical contractor- the garage is detached and has no electric at all
Crack in garage floor, floor needs to be replaced- 1 crack in a floor from 1928

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Financed one income property through bank. Bank required a licensed home inspector report. Bank knew it was an REO, and a dog.

In my experience, inspectors do not DEMAND anything. They make observations, point out deficiencies, etc. They do not, and in this state, cannot make demands.

Now are some inspectors just short of daffy? You betcha.
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Financed one income property through bank. Bank required a licensed home inspector report. Bank knew it was an REO, and a dog.

In my experience, inspectors do not DEMAND anything. They make observations, point out deficiencies, etc. They do not, and in this state, cannot make demands.

Now are some inspectors just short of daffy? You betcha.
this guy said "needs to be corrected" unlike the normal just stating the condition, Most would say crack in garage floor which would be common for a house almost 100 years old etc.
This particular guy wants the houses to meet the current code, saying stair railing have to be replaced because of 6" openings.
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a home inspection report has slightly less value than a piece of used toilet paper...

absolutely ridiculous people actually pay for this garbage...
What's worse, is they think HI's are gods of the gods.
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Financed one income property through bank. Bank required a licensed home inspector report. Bank knew it was an REO, and a dog.

In my experience, inspectors do not DEMAND anything. They make observations, point out deficiencies, etc. They do not, and in this state, cannot make demands.

Now are some inspectors just short of daffy? You betcha.

Yup. The buyer and their crack smoking RE agent come in with the list of demands.

my counter typically looks like this:

No
No
No
No
No
No
No
No
No
Yes
No
No
No
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No
No
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No
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Yup. The buyer and their crack smoking RE agent come in with the list of demands.

my counter typically looks like this:

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No
No
No
No
No
No
No
No
Yes
No
No
No
No
No
No
No
No
No
No
No
No
No

My typical reply is something like this:

Issue: Open splice in basement.
Remediation: Place box & cover on splice.

Issue: GFCI's are not grounded and fail to function when tested.
Remediation: Suggest to 'home inspector' that he read section QCYU of the UL white book and learn how plug-in GFCI testers work.

Issue (Not found on your report): Incorrect breaker for AC compressor.
Remediation: Installed 25a breaker according to unit nameplate.

Issue (not found on your report): CSST gas line not bonded.
Remediation: Properly bond CSST.

Issue (not found on your report): No disconnect for furnace.
Remediation: Install disconnect.

Issue (not found on your report): NE bedroom receptacle box loose.
Remediation: Secure box.

Issue (not found on your report): Multiple grounded conductors installed under one terminal in panel.
Remediation: Separate conductors to their own terminals.

Issue (not found on your report): Breakers in panel not labeled.
Remediation: Label circuits in panel.

Issue (not found on your report): Multiple grounded receptacles installed on circuits with no grounding conductor.
Remediation: Replace receptacles with ungrounded ('2-slot') devices.

Issue (not found on your report): Broken switch for dining room lights.
Remediation: Replace switch.

Issue (not found on your report): Found 'professional home inspector' who failed to find many faults in this dwelling.
Remediation: Suggest homeowner demand refund.
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yup. The buyer and their crack smoking re agent come in with the list of demands.

My counter typically looks like this:

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no
no
no
no
no
no
no
no
yes
no
no
no
no
no
no
no
no
no
no
no
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no
this on a new build?
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a home inspection report has slightly less value than a piece of used toilet paper...



absolutely ridiculous people actually pay for this garbage...


$350 for a fairly thorough, unbiased report of something a family is about to spend $300,000 on?

$100 To make sure the sewer line is clear?

Only an absolutely ridiculous person in this position would not pay.

- Not everybody that buys houses knows absolutely everything about them.


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$350 for a fairly thorough, unbiased report of something a family is about to spend $300,000 on?

$100 To make sure the sewer line is clear?
Only an absolutely ridiculous person in this position would not pay.
- Not everybody that buys houses knows absolutely everything about them.
Yeah, I'm not against home inspectors at all. One purchase, the inspector used this thing with a long, vertical array of LED's - supposed to tell him to the nth degree how well grounded the outlets were. House outlets all passed. After closing, I went in the attic and disconnected GFCIs that had been tied into K&T.

Same inspector though, went out into yard, found the septic field, dug down to confirm it was active and flowing. Now that - the actual "getting out there and grunting" - impressed me.

Just like any other profession - there's the 1 percent exceptionals - the vast middle - and the few pond scum at the bottom.
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........$100 To make sure the sewer line is clear?.....

I've never known an HI to own, let alone know how to use, a camera capable of running a sewer line.
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this on a new build?
Yes

Mostly the inspector being wrong and just some other bs stuff like expecting drywall to be level 5.

The one yes was a cover plate missing on the garage door opener receptacle. Drywaller popped it off to hang drywall and it never got put back on. The real electrical inspector missed it on his final. Okay, thatís a legitimate catch.

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