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Old 11-19-2018, 12:34 AM   #1
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Is it still permitted by the NEC? I'm not seeing it so much anymore.
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Old 11-19-2018, 12:38 AM   #2
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Is it still permitted by the NEC? I'm not seeing it so much anymore.


Those outlets and switches are more then likely UL listed. I know it's not allowed in commercial, here anyway, but is in residential last I heard.


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When I see it they are still using wire nuts for the pass through. Just the three wires to the outlet.
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That’s how my electrician still does it.

When I’ve wired my own personal houses I always side wire..
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Those outlets and switches are more then likely UL listed. I know it's not allowed in commercial, here anyway, but is in residential last I heard.


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Is there even a back stabbable device that can take 12awg?

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]Is there even a back stabbable device that can take 12awg?



That would be my question also.

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No, here the NEC limits backstabbing to 15 amp circuits.

Where I'm from, backstabbing had been written out of the adopted codes for as long as I can remember.

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The only back stabbing plug I use are the better ones with a securing side screw to hold the wire tight. Those will accept #12 wire.
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No, here the NEC limits backstabbing to 15 amp circuits.

Where I'm from, backstabbing had been written out of the adopted codes for as long as I can remember.

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Backstab devices went to strictly 14AWG in 2000.



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Those outlets and switches are more then likely UL listed. I know it's not allowed in commercial, here anyway, but is in residential last I heard.
Perfectly legal in commercial. However, most job specs dictate 20a circuit minimum so you won't find much 14.
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The only back stabbing plug I use are the better ones with a securing side screw to hold the wire tight. Those will accept #12 wire.
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Backstab devices went to strictly 14AWG in 2000.











Perfectly legal in commercial. However, most job specs dictate 20a circuit minimum so you won't find much 14.


Worked commercial many years including a stint with a commercial electrical company and not once did I ever see 14awg. So yeah, makes sense.


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No, here the NEC limits backstabbing to 15 amp circuits.

Where I'm from, backstabbing had been written out of the adopted codes for as long as I can remember.

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Backstab devices went to strictly 14AWG in 2000.

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Thatís when the NEC changed. I bet Chicago and the surrounding areas has been since the late 70ís.

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backstabbing is very prevalent and has been going on for years....

guys see it so often they often don't pay any attention to it.....
























oh crap.....didn't realize this was an electrical question...
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I think it's for lazy electricians. They get paid good money to do the job right. And a good mechanical connection isn't made with backstabbing.

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