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Old 07-23-2008, 10:32 AM   #1
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Hey all.

Do you guys/gals have a lot of calls for window returns...to us window returns are putting vinal J channel with 1/2 drywall around the windows, because the homeowner is to cheap to buy the proper trim...
My company charges $70 to $90 per window...how do you all do it..

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Old 07-23-2008, 03:45 PM   #2
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The last time i did it on a job I put tearaway along the window. But i think next time i will use No- Coat L bead.I have been useing it a lot and like it.

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I've done a couple houses recently with bullnose bead but did not use tear away or j channel against the window ,they can cualk it ,for $60 per window.If they want tear away it's another $20 per.
I think it's a bad idea in the northern climates,the windows will sweat in the winter and get the rock wet...
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Here in Virginia, we do not get alot of window returns, the ones that we do get are finished with 1/2"tear away beads that when finished, we leave the tearaway part on so the painter can paint against it and he can tear it off when done. If they screw it up-we fix it at the painters expense.
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Yea we just estemated a home with 24 window returns, and for us to board and finish with J trim, and coat with square bead...it was 1680 extra...the home owner is now putting wood on....goodddd
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For install and finish labor, I charge $6 per length of vinyl and $12 per length of finished paper bead. I find it's easier to charge per length of bead rather than square foot since a 1ft piece might as well be 8ft in terms of time. Works out to $72 per window.
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homeowners dont realize how f ***in long it takes to do them, and there is no footage so maybe we are supose to do them for free....
If you want to save money....order the proper trim...
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in residential i hang the wraps tight to the window, bead the outside corners and finish it. besides in residential painters caulk around the windows. correct. and i also use alot of caulking. i say caulking is another type of mud you can use. no kind of bead up against the window. but now with commercial, specs. call for zip bead ( tear away bead ) that would be against windows, store fronts, door jams, and any unfinished wall. such as brick, block, etc.
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remember our climates are diffrent...we get -30 c for up to 3-4 weeks and over 5 feet of snow...so our windows will wick, even if they are top windows...i just build a new home last year, and we had very little problems with windows, but i spent a lot of money on them..however the windows that did get returned in the basement, were left open several times in the fall and the sills got wet..however me being a smart drywaller put hardi board on the bottom sill.... with vinyl channel...no the drywall will not wick up the water if it is not cleaned up right away...
i do offer this upgrade to my customers, but they pay approx $50. per window to have it drywall returned..then approx $70 for tapin 2 coats...


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I know this is an old thread, but was wondering if anything has changed with Window returns. Talked to a taper on the coast, he does them for free, but they are sure labor intensive. Just did a job with 5 of them and they took an average of 90 mins each, from J-mold and square bead, three coats and then sand out. Seems excessive to me. What is the norm?
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Pretty standard here in S. Florida. Almost all CBS homes/windows have a drywall return. Figured in the price. And we rarely(never) use j-bead.

Always loved to get an occasional house thats all jammed and cased. Board price does not change. Just less mud and bead.

On a small percentage of homes an upgrade would be to case all the openings and you would never know the returns were drywall.
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Been seeing window and closet returns on all most 75% of jobs these days since to Econ took a crap! Builders are cutting costs any way they can and if you try and charge for the returns you sure wont win the bid.... Its sucks so bad be because they are so labor intensive.
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For plasterers they are not that labor intensive. And there has to be an exessive amount of windows for us to charge extra orlike vangoghfinish said, we won't get the job.
As far as bead goes, never j-bead. tear away on metal framed windows is a must because of sweating. Occasionally on wood just for keeping it clean. Never on vinyl windows.
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Thats pretty funny. Thats what I did at work today, had 6 windows to drywall return and finish with tear-away. Tear-away's the best bet to go. If we dont use that we'll use a vinyl j-return.
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Up here there seems to be two trains of thought when returning vinyl windows, leave an 1/8 gap then caulk, or j-mold or tear away. Bull nose is out lately, all I've been seeing is 90 degree bead.
Anyone up here price them as a separate item?
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Up here there seems to be two trains of thought when returning vinyl windows, leave an 1/8 gap then caulk, or j-mold or tear away. Bull nose is out lately, all I've been seeing is 90 degree bead.
Anyone up here price them as a separate item?
Price what as seperate?
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Price what as seperate?
Labor and material... You really dont plan on charging for both do you?
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You guys up North have do deal with alot more crap. Mainly temp extremes. Thus j-beads for sweating windows,I guess?

We have 90 outside and 70 inside. The glass has condensation but the aluminum frame the drywall butts to seems to stay dry and I rarely if ever see any staining on the drywall.

What happens up North if no bead is used????
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You guys up North have do deal with alot more crap. Mainly temp extremes. Thus j-beads for sweating windows,I guess?

We have 90 outside and 70 inside. The glass has condensation but the aluminum frame the drywall butts to seems to stay dry and I rarely if ever see any staining on the drywall.

What happens up North if no bead is used????
What happens up north, stays up north.

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