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Old 05-03-2014, 06:35 PM   #41
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It looks like someone may have pissed off the drywaller. I could be wrong, but I've heard stories that if you put dish soap on a board that paint won't stick to it. Looks to me like someone put dish soap on the board before hanging it. You wouldn't see it till it's painted and the paint peels. It's an old time revenge trick to cause problems after the job is done and everyone is paid. I'm also sure temp changes may have come into play as well. Either way this was deliberate. The patterns are too perfect.
That's not it. First off, I put soap in all of my mud, and not once ever had a problem. Second, I knew the previous owners, and the woman's father built the house for them. He was a builder, but is now retired.
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And the house was built in 01
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The finisher used a rag/sponge that had WD40 on it to rag his pointup.
Paul makes a good point. Could have been wet sanded maybe ? With some oily substance in the water .
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is that from the heated wires ?
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and the house was built in 01



1901?
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Definitely the edge of the mud joints.

Sand, oil based primer, feather, prime and paint.
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yes or no
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That's not it. First off, I put soap in all of my mud, and not once ever had a problem. Second, I knew the previous owners, and the woman's father built the house for them. He was a builder, but is now retired.
There's a difference between mixing in the mud and direct application to the board. I wouldn't do either.
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When did it start to peel? If the house was built 13 years ago and the problem has just recently occurred then it's not construction related unless there a water leak above that's channeling through the seams and butt joints. It just doesn't seem to me to be following a joint pattern.
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... The patterns are too perfect.
It looks that way at first, but if you take a second look, you'll see that the pattern is just the edge of the mud on normally taped and finished drywall.
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1901?
2001

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It was primed poorly or not at all. The mud somehow caused some later condensation and some aspect of the mud made some later condensation or fumes migrate or concentrate at the edges of the mud, and the paint failed. Before I redid just the lines I'd check the field and see if the lines are just a preview of what's going to happen all over.
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Sorry guys this frozen flats! No of you guys have ever had a spackle freeze in a garage? You can wipe the mud off the wall with your had when it thaws and dries. There is not bond at all when this happens and the paint just creates a shell for a short period of time then begins to flake this this.
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The garage was hung and finished off then sat for many years before paint. The mud turned to chalk . [just a guess]
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Sorry guys this frozen flats! No of you guys have ever had a spackle freeze in a garage? You can wipe the mud off the wall with your had when it thaws and dries. There is not bond at all when this happens and the paint just creates a shell for a short period of time then begins to flake this this.
That would explain all the peaked seams ..yes..but It wouldn't cause the paint to peel like that. I've had many garages freeze and crack but have never seen the paint peel off like that one!
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Look close at the pic and you can see that when it was painted some of the mud lifted at stuck to the roller at the time it was originally painted.
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Look close at the pic and you can see that when it was painted some of the mud lifted at stuck to the roller at the time it was originally painted.
That would prove my chalk theory true?
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That would prove my chalk theory true?
In a since yes but not from time. I have repaired countless garages that had never been painted for long periods of time so the home owner could then paint them because builder generally dont. And never have had a problem when paint when on them. Didn't matter how many years old the home was.
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During the Cold War the U.S. had various biological warfare programs to bring down the Soviet Union. A number of weaponized organisms, including gypsum worms, were developed to attack Soviet infrastructure and housing. Unfortunately, they didn't do their research, and in the late 70s the Army discovered that Soviet apartment buildings weren't drywalled, but were plastered with portland cement. So the program was abandoned, and the remaining worms were shipped in drums, for safekeeping, to Fort Drum (a little east of Auburn).

Fortunately drywall formulations changed in the 70s, and you only see the damage in very rare situations, where the chemistry is just right (for example along the edge of the mud). You have to be very careful when dealing with it, as the eggs can enter through your ears and cause all sorts of neurological problems. I've only seen it once (I lived in Syracuse when I was younger) and I was very careful not to let any of the eggs get into my ears.

Gypsum worms were developed by the same military research branch that worked on the highway blast deflectors: http://www.contractortalk.com/f22/wh...fences-147179/
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Or maybe the mud froze or something. I sure don't have a clue.

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