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Old 04-02-2007, 01:24 PM   #21
 
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As far as the other questions......is there any possibility you can get a guy to help you out with rolling? Let him roll about 1/4 of the room than you start stomping behind him......if you can't get help, than roll 1/4 fast than stomp, than another 1/4 and stomp and so on. You gotta do this quick. the whole process shouldn't take longer than 20 minute. make sure there is no direct wind-air blowing as that would make the tips dry first. Before knocking it down, get your hand wet and rub it up and down the knockdown tool. Start in a corner and pull the blade lightly.....if you pull any mud off and it's almost like going smooth--STOP and wait a few more minutes. Now if you start pulling and it's drying up on you.....keep some water on your blade and finish. once it dries use some 150 sand paper and dust if it looks bad.......??? Good luck.
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Old 04-02-2007, 05:08 PM   #22
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Nah.. im going solo on this one.. Well today i got some 90 and taped and mudded all the joints and screw heads. Tomorrow i was wondering if i should start rolling on texture or should i do another pass with the mudd on the joints??
Are you saying that 1/4 of the celing should take 20 minutes roll.. stomp and knock down??
Also.. do you like the black bristles or the straw like bristles..(I'm referring to Home depot products???..the one that has the straw like bristles also has the double bristle attachment...
Sorry for all the questions but im really learning alot and appreciate all your help..
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LMAO.....20 minutes for all ceiling. I would say between rolling 1/4 than stomping and so on......20-30 most or it's gonna dry. No time to be neat Bro....you gotta dunk that roller and roll your ass off!!!! Maybe this is a bad idea for me to be giving advice on this one?? I wish was there to lend a hand.....there is really nothing to it. Roll Fast and be sure it's evenly spread. try not to think about it.....just go thru the motions.
Apply just enough pressure that the roller is turning slowly --1 pass should go 4-8 feet depending on the roller and the thickness of the texture.......just make it even. one roll at a time-one strip, than another, than another-all side by side. Than back roll-WHEN you back roll you DO NOT add more mud to roller-just spread out evenly what is there--Good luck--I'm rooting for you
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Old 04-03-2007, 04:17 PM   #24
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Here in NJ, I have never encountered a textured ceiling.

One great tool to help with butts on ceilings is:

www.butttaper.com

I am a very solid finisher and even so, I have started to use this on all my butts because it makes a perfectly flat joint and uses very little compound.
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Nice tool I just checked it out
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Ok.. since i was desperately hoping for a reply last night..but didn't get it... ....haha.. oh well... here's what i did...
Thinned out some all purpose (2.5 gallons with about 3/4 cup of water).. and got a 3/4 inch roller.. and rolled the ceiling with compound.. i saw that it was leaving a "textured" look.. so i was fine with that ...(told you i wanted the quick and ez way out).. Came to find out 1/4 way through that my taping and mudding was showing through... so i let that dry for a few hours and came back and re-applied more mud..same way.. then stomped it with the black bristle on a pole. My main problem was ...in retrospect... i was applying the stuff to thin...It looks... well ... not bad... not perfect.. you can tell where i rolled there are lines every 14inches or so.. but i think that when i prime tomorrow..it'll al blend it.. we'll see.. if not .. when the primer dries.. ill do one last coat perpendicular to the previous two coats. I know most of you are laughing at me..as would/do i when i read posts on diyers refinishing their own floors.. but.. i really do appreciate the info.. i know how much you want to all tell me... "HIRE A PRO!".. but thanks again every one.. it looks good.... by me.. By the way.. i thought my frickin head was going to fall off, all that lookin up.... I can see some neck soreness in my future!! lol
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I hate seeing someone stranded. I'm only right over here in Youngstown. You shoulda just utilized the King's On Call Repair service.....few hundred bucks and you'd be sittin nice right now.
Hope it all turns out ok. I woulda been in and out Bada-bing!!
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Thanks King.. maybe i'll look you up next time.. It came out fine by me.... it's primed and painted.. Thanks again for the info.. much appreciated!!
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i agree that if you do not have a lot of exsperiance or have the nack of texturing dowm it can be messy and you may not hide your mistakes , now a knock down is a diferent way to go and after aplying tape and maby 1and a half coats of mudd you simply aply mudd by either spraying or use a stomp brush , wait for the glossyness of the mud to go away then simply knocck down with a knockdown knife , they are plastic and flexible and pretty easy to get a desired look , it is a kinda adobe southwest look ... dano...
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Dano.. well after is was all said and done.. i still could see my taped lines.. kind of a bummer after all that time.. but..i think my error was not knocking down my mudding of the joints in combonation with not applying (rolling) the mud on heavy enough when i was texturing.. what do you think.. all in all.. i was so close..
i figure when this tenant moves out...ill prime (do i need to prime if i want to apply mud over a painted ceiling??).. give it another dose of mud nice and heavy.. and re-prime then paint..
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Not realistic in the real world sorry. Anyone who does production work will tell ya that. But HO's eat that stuff up!

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Here in NJ, I have never encountered a textured ceiling.

One great tool to help with butts on ceilings is:

www.butttaper.com

I am a very solid finisher and even so, I have started to use this on all my butts because it makes a perfectly flat joint and uses very little compound.
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Old 04-19-2007, 08:49 AM   #32
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Out here texture is standard, ceilings, walls, the works. If you don't texture, your house will be considered unfinished. So, I have a lot of experience with texture.

Texture does not hide crappy work. It does not hide unfinished joints. It will hide small imperfections, but not visible tape lines.

I've seen texture over unfinished (tape only) joints. It looks just like what it is.

Don't paint the ceiling or you will never be satisfied. Take a big sponge, wash off the texture, do it correctly. Finish, then sand your joints, then texture if you want a texture finish.
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With the exception of a splatter texture any rolled on or knife applied texture should cover. I've done it over concrete block and totally 100% covered it??? I've done it over paint flaked ceilings and they covered as well. What kinda textures do you do? I am curious. How do you apply them? Why don't they cover.?
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Here in Maryland texture is vitually UNHEARD of, except in older homes or by request of a homeowner..

New construction however..commercial or residential..

NADA..

I am talking Stipple, popcorn, etc..
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I just started spraying texture ceilings. I've been using the pre-mix texture mud, but was wondering if regular mud works as well. The texture stuff doesn't look much different, it's just more expensive. I just spray a light stipple.
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I get awesome results from actually spraying Easy sand and knocking it down. Another good one is wetting down plus 3. See.....the problem is that regular joint compound shrinks....ALOT. Notice if you ever spotted a wall screw with regular joint compound how it dimples in?? It shrinks alot. Now plus 3 still may take 2 coats on a screw which shows you that it shrinks a little....NOW....easy sand HUMPs screw out...NO shrinkage at all. You actually gotta sand it down. If you evr have the oppurtunity......wet down a bucket of easy sand 90 minute and go to it.
It looks awesome......OH....MAKE SURE YOU CLEAN OUT YOUR SPRAY GUN IMMEDIATELY WHEN YOU ARE DONE. You dont want that crap hardening up in your gun.
Give it a try
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Thanks for the tips...I just finished my first bigger ceiling job (I'd done a few tiny rooms here and there) and despite all my worrying, it turned out awesome. I taped the ceiling with two coats of mud then sprayed a couple coats of primer with the airless then sprayed a fine texture and it looked really good and the customer had no clue it was my first one...wow, it's alot of work tho, I still don't know why people always want the texture. I did do extra good taping and everything to be on the safe side, cause wow it would suck if the customer didn't like it and you had to redo it..
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If your looking to texture a ceiling, and want the end result to look great, I am going to describe to you as best I can a form of texturing that can actually add VALUE to the home, Hide a lot of sins, and has a lasting to WOW factor to those who see it. Most people will think I am refering to (Stucco) when they read this, however this is not the case but the technique is somewhat similar. Tools and material required in no particular order..Sanding sponges, pole sander, enough primer to cover your surface twice, ready mix or joint compound...has to be the premix, a broke in 14" flat trowel, Hawk or mud board, broom handle or paint roller handle, 4"knife, 6"knife, philips screw driver on hand, a mixer for thining your mud..a stick will work if you have patience and no mixer, and finally you will need what is called a crows foot texture brush or even better is a double crows foot texture brush. It is very important to have ALL of these things on hand as once you start this type of high end texture you cant stop till it is done (Very Important) You should also have 2 people for this job. And time wise your looking at about no more then 20 mins-30mins for a 14 x 20 ceiling..Application time, prep and clean up takes longer. First and foremost is to have you seams and smooth as possible, sand away those edges, sand your angles, don't worry too much about sanding the screws for this project, once you feel you have it sanded well enough, Using only a GOOD primer, ask around your local hardware stores for the best primer they carry. Primer your ceilings and when dry check it for defeciencies and fix them if any, reprime these areas, or the whole ceiling again if you had too many touch ups. Now your ready for texture, put your mud in a CLEAN 5 gallon bucket, depending how thick it is determines how much water you will need to add to it, Your going to need to add at least 2 large coffee cups guaranteed, so start with that, mix it WELL. the consistancy your looking for is not thick at all but by no means to runny to control (hard to explain that) Once your happy with your mix. Your ready to put it on, this is where two people come in handy, get your double crows foot ready and that will be one mans job to use it. the others is to start troweling on the mud. If you trowel this on to heavy your going to hate me for writting this and your ceiling is going to look worse. So Thin thin thin is what you want, start off a small patch in one corner a couple feet in both directions, leave this a little heavy amd have the other guy stamp his brush in it till he has an even amount of mix on his brush, theres no need to slam the ceiling either, but at the same time love taps like miss daisy won't do either. once the brush is covered, now you can't stop, run your trowel through that patch you just made and start over, thin thin thin, and you should trowel out say 6' x 4 feet at a time, let buddy stamp it in giving quarter turns and half turns non stop if the texture looks to thick trowel through it and go thinner..When I do these ceilings I see primer through some spots while troweling, Yes, that thin..my end result is no more then 1/8"-1/4" at most..any thicker it starts to look like ass. So you have stay going at this, don't stop, try to keep buddy on the brush moving at all times, when you do a section, always keep working into those sections as you DO NOT want these edges to dry up on you. so always overlap a few inches when troweling back into it. Once you have the ceiling completed, Take your 4" knife and create a border around the room by keeping it straight and wiping off the wet mix around the ceiling, if you have a light or ceiling fan in the middle of the room borders look great around these as well, now in the 3 way corners of the room take your 6" knife and place it in the 3 way and wipe a 1/2 turn to create an extra profile that looks amazing. Now just clean up. when everything is dry..Usually the next day, it will always look even nicer then it does when wet, go around all the borders and wipe them down with a wet rag, or you can sand them. Prime your ceiling again to seal it, and the borders, paint them the same color as your walls..I can't imagine anyone being able to follow all this. however anyone who has any experience working with mud and trowels shouldn't have too much a problem, I will post some pics of my work today, reading this and seeing the pics will say a lot more..As always, have a great day.
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Gerard, paragraphs are great. Paragraphs make reading easy. Try it sometime, you might like it.
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Yea I think I need to see some pictures. It sounds interesting tho.

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