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Old 06-07-2019, 08:09 PM   #21
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You should unruffle your feathers and listen to people that know something have got to say.

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Old 06-07-2019, 08:51 PM   #22
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If you do nothing but mudding, seems like your pricing should be based upon linear feet. One board could be hacked up into five pieces.

If all of your work is for that one drywall guy, you're an employee. Chances are, you won't suffer when the IRS catches up, but he will.
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maybe its a lingo barrier. I sub for the drywall contractor. i have nothing to do with the hanging. or material. I get paid avg $8 to finish. only. thats it. point blank. nothing else. I dont even sand unless I choose to. im not an employee. I get paid cash, with a 1099 at the end of year. it seemd to me the biggest reason why contractors have issues, is because they make it too damn complicated an over think themselves out of the job. thank you for everyones reply. it further assured me to never take peoples advice as it only makes things complicated. charge by the board call it a day
Based on your original post and this one you'd never make it as a contractor.
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maybe its a lingo barrier. I sub for the drywall contractor. i have nothing to do with the hanging. or material. I get paid avg $8 to finish. only. thats it. point blank. nothing else. I dont even sand unless I choose to. im not an employee. I get paid cash, with a 1099 at the end of year. it seemd to me the biggest reason why contractors have issues, is because they make it too damn complicated an over think themselves out of the job. thank you for everyones reply. it further assured me to never take peoples advice as it only makes things complicated. charge by the board call it a day
I think this has been the most helpful post to understand your situation. You're basically what people refer to as a "1099 Employee." So you show up to work, someone tells you what needs to be done and you do it. They pay you for it. Instead of getting a W2 and the stuff that goes with it, you get a 1099. It's on you to pay your own taxes (including the added burden of the "self employment tax"), provide your own insurance, etc. You are confusing this arrangement with being a real contractor, though.

As for taking people's advice on the subject - if you're ok with your current arrangement in the "1099 employee" nether region, then stay on that until it doesn't work out anymore. If you want to be a contractor, there's plenty of people who can provide the correct advice on that. At the end of the day, a real subcontractor is still a contractor.
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maybe its a lingo barrier. I sub for the drywall contractor. i have nothing to do with the hanging. or material. I get paid avg $8 to finish. only. thats it. point blank. nothing else. I dont even sand unless I choose to. im not an employee. I get paid cash, with a 1099 at the end of year. it seemd to me the biggest reason why contractors have issues, is because they make it too damn complicated an over think themselves out of the job. thank you for everyones reply. it further assured me to never take peoples advice as it only makes things complicated. charge by the board call it a day
Doesn't matter to me if you hang, finish, paint, or sweep floors as a subcontractor... if you're going to get into what you describe as "full contracting" or commercial, there are expenses as such that you're going to want to take into consideration when advancing towards that goal that it doesn't seem you're adding to the mix that we ALL have to pay at one time or another...

To me, it sounds like you're OK making less than what you need rather than put in the work to determine what you need to be in business... but only experience can teach you that if you're not open to learning it from others experience who came before you... what you're doing is not unique nor is the path you're about to take... the long road... and it'll end with you either end up doing what would have benefited you when starting out and then wishing you had done what you're going to learn earlier (you never get time back) or you'll leave the trades for another line of work... the other option is you'll just go along as you're doing now... if that's the case, let's hope you're a saver...

Here's a question that might put it all in perspective for you... how much do you want to make as a subcontractor this fiscal year?
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This reminds me of a guy that questioned his bill for hanging two 4x8 sheets, that were cut up to fill around and between large bifold doors, small closet ceiling, and a few other patch areas. I laughed when he mentioned install was a couple bucks a sqft....

I told him if he found someone that would come out multiple times to hang and finish two boards, pieced all over, that I want his number because he's going to make me a lot of $.

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My father was a drywall and metal stud contractor for over 30 years. Always charged by the s.f. For the drywall. He was doing 300 homes at a time back in the day. I think the last I heard it was paying a buck a foot. Not much has happened to the price in a long time. Lots of south of the border workers have kept the price low.


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maybe its a lingo barrier. I sub for the drywall contractor. i have nothing to do with the hanging. or material. I get paid avg $8 to finish. only. thats it. point blank. nothing else. I dont even sand unless I choose to. im not an employee. I get paid cash, with a 1099 at the end of year. it seemd to me the biggest reason why contractors have issues, is because they make it too damn complicated an over think themselves out of the job. thank you for everyones reply. it further assured me to never take peoples advice as it only makes things complicated. charge by the board call it a day
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This reminds me of a guy that questioned his bill for hanging two 4x8 sheets, that were cut up to fill around and between large bifold doors, small closet ceiling, and a few other patch areas. I laughed when he mentioned install was a couple bucks a sqft....

I told him if he found someone that would come out multiple times to hang and finish two boards, pieced all over, that I want his number because he's going to make me a lot of $.

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The drywallers I know wouldnít touch that job for under $500. A simple basement bedroom would be $1000 or more not including materials. They only spend an hour or two at a time on the job but they have to come back 5 times. Price per square foot goes down (to a point) as the job gets bigger.
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The drywallers I know wouldnít touch that job for under $500.
When I started in this biz, drywallers wouldn't come out for a small job - period.

And if there was one thing I didn't know squat about, it was finishing drywall. So, meant I had to get good enough my own damned self to get the customer to pay.

Lots and lots of spotting and sanding those first few jobs.

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When I started in this biz, drywallers wouldn't come out for a small job - period.

And if there was one thing I didn't know squat about, it was finishing drywall. So, meant I had to get good enough my own damned self to get the customer to pay.

Lots and lots of spotting and sanding those first few jobs.

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With mud boxes and bazookas there are very few skilled finishers left. Most under 50 totally suck and canít do any type of ceiling texture thatís not ****ty crows foot and forget about smooth ceilings, they canít even do neat corners and walls. Everyone tells me the Cans are the only way to go now but Iím still trying to hire only legal citizens.
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With mud boxes and bazookas there are very few skilled finishers left. Most under 50 totally suck and canít do any type of ceiling texture thatís not ****ty crows foot and forget about smooth ceilings, they canít even do neat corners and walls. Everyone tells me the Cans are the only way to go now but Iím still trying to hire only legal citizens.
They arenít any better, judging from what I see here.
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With mud boxes and bazookas there are very few skilled finishers left. Most under 50 totally suck and canít do any type of ceiling texture thatís not ****ty crows foot and forget about smooth ceilings, they canít even do neat corners and walls. Everyone tells me the Cans are the only way to go now but Iím still trying to hire only legal citizens.


Have your ever ran a bazooka or a box? Where I came from you didn't touch the tools for at least 2 years. Then a nail spotter became your only friend for another year.


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Maybe the difference of charging by the board versus by the sq ft can be clarified like this:


Roofers charge by the square foot.

100 sq. ft = 1 square

We talk in terms of squares.

If I roof a house that has 25 squares (2500sf) I say 25 squares, not 75 bundles. (3 bundles of shingles = 100 Sf)








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Hey Big,

You know, the sh!t of that is, my d/w guy, clear back in 2007 damned near quit because I had to tell him go from .86/ft to .83/ft or goodbye.

And that was the year the bottom fell out. And here we are, all these years later....
I will work at the Wendy's drive thru before anyone ever tells me how much to charge.
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RE: Cowboy @ #36: A free market REQUIRES " a willing buyer and a WILLING seller..."

legal participants negotiating a legal act...

By definition, a desperate person can't refuse marginal offers when in financial duress.

If your are living hand to mouth on your salary, YOU ARE IN FINANCIAL DURESS.

Sorry criminal Scum, hiring illegal aliens isn't a legal business policy.
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Have your ever ran a bazooka or a box? Where I came from you didn't touch the tools for at least 2 years. Then a nail spotter became your only friend for another year.


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They knew if the newer guys learned how easy that stuff was to use theyíd be out of a job. Been there with most jobs Iíve had, insecure old ****s wonít let the new guy do anything that threatens the old dudes [in]security.


Actually that's not true. The reason is, it makes no sense to let someone learn an auto tool if they can't fix it if it drags or fails. How often have you used a box? It's not something you can just pick up and use correctly without knowledge in finishing, and practice. Those tools have been around for 50 years. If it was so easy we wouldn't need drywall subs.


Most high work is all done by hand. Then smooth wall has a lot of hand work. You'd look pretty damn silly showing up to a home and telling the GC the only thing you do is box work. Lol.



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Where's @blacktop when you need him.


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