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Old 03-20-2014, 06:56 PM   #21
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I know budget is always a factor but, considering that the HO has already had water damage they should be willing to spend a bit more for security.

For ideal basement installs that don't have a walk-out, and are thus able to flood to a greater depth, I would suggest a few things:
-check that the insulation/vapor barrier is correct before you copy it. If there isn't 2" rigid foam or spray foam on the foundation wall, it should be unfaced batts with 6 mil poly on the interior of the stud wall. When you patch it, make sure you tape the joint.
- Cut it back, as mentioned in earlier posts. Allowing for an even half-sheet makes sense as it gives you some room to work and cuts the number of snaps in half.
-Use DensArmor or another brand of fiberglass faced gypsum board for the new piece. It's pricey but it will have the same immunity to mold that the cbu will have and is easier to tape. It does need a skim coat as it has a rougher texture. Green board isn't any better than regular, it's a marketing gimmick.
- If the Densarmor isn't in the budget then install a strip of 1/2" EG ply to the bottom of the wall and hold it back 1/2" from the top of the baseboard and then start the drywall above that. It gives the HO a couple inches of breathing room in the event of another flood.
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Old 03-20-2014, 07:32 PM   #22
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Gotta hate when you type a reply and lose it,so ill do a quickie.First off thanks for the replies.Many good suggestions.I was not completely honest when saying i am comfortable.I Have done this a few times with a few different guys over the years and it seems everyone does it different.I do good at the mud but struggle at times.Now i'm doing this on my own i am trying to learn different methods and the right way to do things.I may or may not have been taught the right way.I would rather look like azz here than to a customer,insurance adjuster or building inspector.
Back to the suggestions.I was also thinking of cutting it up to 25" like above mentioned.I know it will be tough to not cut the plastic underneath.I wonder if it would be better to use high tack spray glue instead of tape when joining the plastics.I did talk to a guy and he suggested i use Roxul insulation.That stuff seems good but a bit expensive and over kill.I would think when using that that you would still have to make sure the old plastic has a good seal.
I am meeting with a plasterer tomorrow and another one saturday.If their prices or scheduling don't work then i will do it all myself.I dont mind doing it and like the challenge.No matter what it will be done right and look the way it is supposed to.

Thanks again,Rob.
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Meaning fundamentals if he can't cut drywall for patching or rips for repairs . Basic things in construction . That my point mountain man .
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Fibafuse is great, but it's not the easiest to work with. Mesh is generally the easiest. I, too, have seen mesh jobs that failed. But no more than I have paper. You can screw up either one. But as long as your joints are clean (not even dusty much less loose rock or paint) and you push plenty of mud through it to fill any gaps it works great. I know several guys who won't use anything else for flat joints. And, yes, it will cause a hump. Any material will. You have to add enough mud over it to cover it, and enough mud out several inches (6 ish) in both directions to hide that hump.

Your first coat establishes the height of the fill. It does not have to be perfectly smooth. Don't spend forever trying to do the whole job on this step. Fill in as much as it will take to get the right level across 90% of the patch. A few low spots (that other 10%) are no big deal because you'll fill those in on the next pass. You don't want any mud from your first coat to be higher than your final level or you'll spend extra time taking it back off, especially with hot mud. (Easy Sand may be easier than whatever rock hard crap they made before that, but it is NOT easy to sand. Avoid needing to sand it at all.)

Your second coat is to fill in those small low spots, and to compensate for the shrinkage from the first coat drying. Your second coat should not shrink much, and should be smooth, but you're still laying down enough material that it is very difficult to get it perfect here. Those with very well established skills, who have a nearly intimate relationship with their knives, can pull this off in two coats. Plan on a third to fill in little imperfections (mostly bubbles and knife trails). Between coats run over all of it with a 6 inch (or so) knife to knock off the high spots that always appear here and there, and to clean off buildup on any corner beads.

This is a 3 day job for those who have done a lot of this. Don't rush it, but also don't make more work than you already have by making that first coat too high, or doing any coats without enough light (harsh, from the side) to see the texture.
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You're right about that!
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I think he is being sarcastic

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you can set the depth with a rotozip to not cut the vapour barrier
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I would just hang it the way it is. I've learned after all these yrs to just go with what the last guy left me.

Time spent re-cutting is time wasted getting it done. Example.......We all know electricians and plumbers are clueless on how to cut square holes...........Right

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I used to square everything up,take a bath in drywall dust and make a bigger mess. Now I just match their crooked ass holes. Pre-fill with quick set and then tape away.
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Edit: some electricians and some plumbers do know how to make square holes.
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Hanging bottom rips on my hands and knees sucks.
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Hanging bottom rips on my hands and knees sucks.
That's why I asked how it was currently hung. I'd rather spend a few more bucks on rock and cut it at 4'
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That's why I asked how it was currently hung. I'd rather spend a few more bucks on rock and cut it at 4'
Not necessary. 24" is plenty
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Edit: some electricians and some plumbers do know how to make square holes.
You're right, some do know how...
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I'm sorry but if you can't drywall , stick some batts in walls of basement . Call it a day And go flip brugars or wash cars . It's basic carpentry one o one .
You're way off track dude. Very few carpenters have adequate mud and tape skills, they are two different trades.
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You're way off track dude. Very few carpenters have adequate mud and tape skills, they are two different trades.
Never was talking about mud or tapeing .
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Never was talking about mud or tapeing .
Doesn't matter, hanging it, and insulation is all related to it.
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Doesn't matter, hanging it, and insulation is all related to it.
Doesn't matter come on . If he can't rip drywall stripes and fill in basement wall . Pack your **** you don't belong in any trade . Measure , mark , cut , snap , screw , done . Call your taper .
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Doesn't matter come on . If he can't rip drywall stripes and fill in basement wall . Pack your **** you don't belong in any trade . Measure , mark , cut , snap , screw , done . Call your taper .
He didn't say he couldn't do it, he's asking about details. Which is what I prefer in my guys, if they ask about minor things even on basic stuff, it shows they are paying attention to detail and won't hack it up.
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Not necessary. 24" is plenty
I'm not bending over to finish it, that's what I'm saying
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Doesn't matter come on . If he can't rip drywall stripes and fill in basement wall . Pack your **** you don't belong in any trade . Measure , mark , cut , snap , screw , done . Call your taper .
Stop the BS. You didn't know everything when you started. You don't know everything today.

If you ever ask another question on this site, I hope that some DB that has a ton more experience than you, doesn't see it as"basic", and tell you to pack your bags you don't belong in the trades.

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