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Old 05-14-2010, 10:42 AM   #1
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Im pricing up a few apartments with mf ceilings but it has been a while since i have done any

have any of you experienced guys go a rough idea of the installation time

there are 4 rooms per apartment varying from 20' x 16' down to hall ways 20' x 4'

a rough time per sq/ft or sq/ mtr would be appreciated

at the moment im guessing on 10 minutes per sq/m but could be way off
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Im pricing up a few apartments with mf ceilings but it has been a while since i have done any

have any of you experienced guys go a rough idea of the installation time

there are 4 rooms per apartment varying from 20' x 16' down to hall ways 20' x 4'

a rough time per sq/ft or sq/ mtr would be appreciated

at the moment im guessing on 10 minutes per sq/m but could be way off

OK I'll go first.

What is a MF ceiling?

The only thing I can think of is [email protected]#$%R F&%$#*G ceiling!

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sounds like you dont have a MF clue

the MF is Metal Frame

http://manual.knaufdrywall.co.uk/fil...20Ceilings.pdf

any help appreciated
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Im pricing up a few apartments with mf ceilings but it has been a while since i have done any

have any of you experienced guys go a rough idea of the installation time

there are 4 rooms per apartment varying from 20' x 16' down to hall ways 20' x 4'

a rough time per sq/ft or sq/ mtr would be appreciated

at the moment im guessing on 10 minutes per sq/m but could be way off
sorry but """What is a MF ceiling?"""
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sorry but """What is a MF ceiling?"""
see above
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Building a metal frame ceiling ( framing?)? That will be drywalled?
Drywalling(thread topic) on a metal frame ceiling?
Or installing a drop ceiling grid?
You can see the potential for confusion uk....
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Building a metal frame ceiling ( framing?)? That will be drywalled?
Drywalling(thread topic) on a metal frame ceiling?
Or installing a drop ceiling grid?
You can see the potential for confusion uk....

yes

im not sure how it works over there but in the uk it can often be the boarders or the carpenters that fit them, but more often than not boarders will specialise in doing metal stud and mf ceilings then boarding at the same time
maybe i should post in the framing section?
im a carpenter myself and have not done any for over 10 years so struggling a bit on times.

my price has got to be in tomorrow so if anyone has any experience of this help would be appreciated
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Not familiar w/ that product, but if it's like a suspended ceiling grid system, (snap together pre-cut), your 10min/m should be doable.


Square/rectangular rooms usually go very fast.. Odd shapes, not so quick
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If it is like the metal grid for ceiling tile, but heavier and for drywall. It does go up fast and just screw the rock on. The jobs I have seen used wire hangers from the iron. Just like you would for drop in.
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We frame all drop ceings here with metal studs . And we have a basic sq./ft. price to do them. Without knowing the total sq. ft. you are talking about for one unit and how high the ceilings are it would be hard to guess how long it would take.

We have done a couple jobs with the MF system you are using and they turned out to be a pain because nobody was familiar with it. Not in my neck of the woods anyway.

Good luck and let us know how it works out for you.
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thanks tim / big shoe

ive gone in with my price based on 12 minutes per square metre / 5 mtrs per hour, so hopefully i will win the job and it work out ok

the ceilings are 7'6" and the units are roughly 50 - 60 sq/mtrs

the only problem is the internal stud walls will be up so each room is to be done individually which will slow it down a bit.

i would rather be a bit low on price at the moment and win the job as i have not had much success lately, i have been lowering and lowering my prices on every job i price and the last one i priced i though i would win easy i went so low but still got beat by 12%

unfortunately until there is a shortage of carpenters the prices will continue to go south, so as i said last year and the year before hopefully things will pick up in the next 12 months
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If it is like the metal grid for ceiling tile, but heavier and for drywall. It does go up fast and just screw the rock on. The jobs I have seen used wire hangers from the iron. Just like you would for drop in.
it is preferred(although not essential ) to use more rigid hangers than wire as you can get uplift in a sealed room when the door is closed which can cause cracks in the ceiling
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Where abouts in the UK you based, North or South?
I'm in the South West, I would normally on square rooms look at between 70 and 80m2 a day. 7 to 8hr day
We to have had to drop our prices, and just to cheer you up metal prices are going up on 1st of June
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Where abouts in the UK you based, North or South?
I'm in the South West, I would normally on square rooms look at between 70 and 80m2 a day. 7 to 8hr day
We to have had to drop our prices, and just to cheer you up metal prices are going up on 1st of June
Hi Brian

im in the northwest near chester

looks like ive allowed a bit too much time on them then,
it cant be a bad thing as ive shaved all my carpentry prices to the bone

do you just do ceilings? looks like you get a fair bit done in a day, is that on your own or paired up
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Sorry for the delay in replying, we were working away and got back last night (bank holiday monday)
That would normally be on my own.
We do all suspended ceiling systems, office partitioning, metal stud, jumbo stud, boarding, Tape and joint, small amounts of skimming.
We are into complete refurbs of Offices,(including carpets, air con, data cables etc) and now starting some school refurbs.

Hope you get the contract
PS get a Hilti GX120 for the perimeter if going into blockwork a PLS or Dewalt laser and a witney punch for the 25x25 angle hangers, all speeds the job up, Hilti also do a tool for fixing the hangers.

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Sorry for the delay in replying, we were working away and got back last night (bank holiday monday)
That would normally be on my own.
We do all suspended ceiling systems, office partitioning, metal stud, jumbo stud, boarding, Tape and joint, small amounts of skimming.
We are into complete refurbs of Offices,(including carpets, air con, data cables etc) and now starting some school refurbs.

Hope you get the contract
PS get a Hilti GX120 for the perimeter if going into blockwork a PLS or Dewalt laser and a witney punch for the 25x25 angle hangers, all speeds the job up, Hilti also do a tool for fixing the hangers.
thanks for the advise Brian
its a timber frame block so all easy fixing, ive got a dewalt laser
do you bolt the hangers then with you recommending the witney punch? i thought we used self drilling screws last time i did some but could be wrong
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If your going into wooden joists then screws are the order of the day for the hangars
In block or concrete we use either metal nailable plugs or a 6mm screw in bolt, who's name at the moment escapes me. hence the witney punch ( I'll find out tomorrow and let you know)

13mm self drilling wafer head screws for fixing hangar to primary
And something long and pointed to fix the clips on with (4" nail etc)

Just a thought, what board is going on there?
Ordinary, or Soundblock, 12.5, 15mm, 1 layer or 2 ?
As this will affect the spacing of hangars and primary.
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If your going into wooden joists then screws are the order of the day for the hangars
In block or concrete we use either metal nailable plugs or a 6mm screw in bolt, who's name at the moment escapes me. hence the witney punch ( I'll find out tomorrow and let you know)

13mm self drilling wafer head screws for fixing hangar to primary
And something long and pointed to fix the clips on with (4" nail etc)

Just a thought, what board is going on there?
Ordinary, or Soundblock, 12.5, 15mm, 1 layer or 2 ?
As this will affect the spacing of hangars and primary.
thanks for the info brian

im not sure on the board, we did some resilient bar on some flats last year and they used 20mm plank with 15mm board over but as is often the case it is different every time

i assume with a drop ceiling on timber frame the joists would have to be boarded prior to the ceiling going in as the services will be run through the ceiling
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"i assume with a drop ceiling on timber frame the joists would have to be boarded prior to the ceiling going in as the services will be run through the ceiling "


That could be the case.
Don't know who you get your materials from, but give Minster a ring, they're usually cheaper than Jewsons, CPD, and CCF

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