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Old 05-20-2011, 04:57 AM   #81
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Old 12-11-2013, 12:12 PM   #82
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I just called GP and spoke with a tech. He said you could use ready mix with mesh but not in corners. Its not that it would not work just not the best way. Also he told me you can use paper tape with 20 minute mud. I trust the tech people more than opinions.
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I'll use either system - paper and AP, mesh and all hot mud, mesh, hot mud, AP, you name it. Right now I'm using all mesh and hot mud due to drying times (winter here, and corners are really cold). I'm trying Fibafuse next, both with mesh AP and hot mud.
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I just called GP and spoke with a tech. He said you could use ready mix with mesh but not in corners. Its not that it would not work just not the best way. Also he told me you can use paper tape with 20 minute mud. I trust the tech people more than opinions.
The tech people are opinions ..How many homes/jobs has this tech guy worked on in the last 20-30 years? Remember...Fast setting compounds are just that ..Fast setting! Not fast curing ! Each pass needs to CURE before the next no matter what compound you use!

The techs will tell you a patch can be finished out in one trip with hot mud. It's a total lie!
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When we tape with mesh tape (or any tape for that matter) we do a prefill coat to create a monolithic hard surface on which to embed tape.
With a small patch, this might mean using 5 minute or 20 minute mud to prefill the joint. Often there is a little sag which must be scraped after mud set. Something we have been doing lately is spraying the (patch) joints with contact adhesive at this point. Then we always use two ply of mesh. never just one. A single ply leaves too much opening between the tape threads where a crack may become visible through the tape. Then we coat the joint tape with setting mud. Further coats do not need setting compound. We also always prefill all joints and inside corner gaps in new construction with setting mud and check for sags in prefill mud before firing up a bazooka.
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Just did a repair (40 lin ft of butt joint at eye level on a wall.
Thought I would try mesh.
Never again.
In sanding, ya can't see the mesh and have a tendency to sand right through it.
Might work in your recessed bed joints, and certainly with real plaster at all joints. But for drywall I will never try it again. Won't waste my time.
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We use fiba fuse on all butts, you can sand through that stuff far easier than normal mesh tape I'm assuming your using.


How are you sanding? Sanding blocks?
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Just did a repair (40 lin ft of butt joint at eye level on a wall.
Thought I would try mesh.
Never again.
In sanding, ya can't see the mesh and have a tendency to sand right through it.
Might work in your recessed bed joints, and certainly with real plaster at all joints. But for drywall I will never try it again. Won't waste my time.
Paper or mesh, it's easier of you don't have to do more than a quick, light sanding. You won't go through even the thin mesh with a quick, light sanding. If I accidentally expose either paper or mesh, I give it a quick shot of BIN so I won't sand though it / rough it up later.

Or you could always use a damp sponge .
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Just did a repair (40 lin ft of butt joint at eye level on a wall.
Thought I would try mesh.
Never again.
In sanding, ya can't see the mesh and have a tendency to sand right through it.
Might work in your recessed bed joints, and certainly with real plaster at all joints. But for drywall I will never try it again. Won't waste my time.
Sounds like the mesh wasn't stuck completely and floated on ya.
On repairs there can be dust or residue that prevents the mesh from sticking properly. I like to first take a spray bomb of Kilz and hit any seams on existing walls that are going to meshed.
Oh and always' use a setting type compound whenever using mesh tape.
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I have personally never had an issue with mesh tape cracking, therefor I feel confident in saying that mesh tape, when used properly, is a good product.

I did not mean to insult anyone's experience here, it's just that the BS tends to fly wildly on this site in particular, and I see a lot of posters who claim to be "painters" posting in the carpentry forum, "masons" giving advice about drywall, etc...
Yes, I have even seen "deck guys" posting in the drywall forum.

Pretty amazing stuff.
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Original post in 07. This thread won't die
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Just did a repair (40 lin ft of butt joint at eye level on a wall.
Thought I would try mesh.
Never again.
In sanding, ya can't see the mesh and have a tendency to sand right through it.
Might work in your recessed bed joints, and certainly with real plaster at all joints. But for drywall I will never try it again. Won't waste my time.
How do you get 40' of butt joints at eye level? And did you peel out the defective tape first?
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How do you get 40' of butt joints at eye level? And did you peel out the defective tape first?
It was to shim/straighten 10' floating studs (next to a brick ext. wall.
I cut and removed a 12" piece 20' long in an addition I just built.
So therefor 40 lin ft of butt joint in which I ended up doing over because the mesh tape is so fragile and I sanded through it in many places.
If I had used paper tape, granted I would have exposed the tape and would have had to deal with that, but at least it would have still been a stable joint.
I can't imagine where anyone would want to chance using it at butt joints. But, I don't do it everyday.
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Mesh works in certain scenarios, but its definitely not a pros first choice. If this debate is over the best product to use when considering durability, longevity, risk of call back...it's paper every time. If you had choose only one to use on a variety of jobs, you'd have to go with paper, its the best option. Period.
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I finished the drywall on the second story of a home in paper as the first story had been done a year before in mesh. 90% of the joints in mesh had hairline fractures the full length. Two years after I did my part, not one. People are misguided about the strength of mesh. In some ways, yes. But grab it with two hands and wiggle it, it moves in ways paper doesn't
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Oh I love It !!! Here we go!!!
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Mesh works in certain scenarios, but its definitely not a pros first choice. If this debate is over the best product to use when considering durability, longevity, risk of call back...it's paper every time. If you had choose only one to use on a variety of jobs, you'd have to go with paper, its the best option. Period.
Still don't understand the my way is the only way mentality. There is no period on this subject, period.

I started a paint job today. Had to cut out 30' of...you guessed it...paper tape. 4 spots it was coming up or bubbling, no water damage. Just a bad tape job.
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Still don't understand the my way is the only way mentality. There is no period on this subject, period.

I started a paint job today. Had to cut out 30' of...you guessed it...paper tape. 4 spots it was coming up or bubbling, no water damage. Just a bad tape job.
Inexperienced people. I use mesh in commercial sometimes.
It all works when done the right way in the right place
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Mesh works in certain scenarios, but its definitely not a pros first choice. If this debate is over the best product to use when considering durability, longevity, risk of call back...it's paper every time. If you had choose only one to use on a variety of jobs, you'd have to go with paper, its the best option. Period.
I didn't view this as my way or highway mentality. But I agree, paper is better
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I didn't view this as my way or highway mentality. But I agree, paper is better
The "periods" said it all. It's the best, period. Sounds pretty definitive. Saying period means there is nothing left to discuss I have spoken. Hence, my way out the highway. The highway would be no more need to discuss move along.

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