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Old 03-22-2011, 09:07 AM   #61
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Thanks for the adcive dauber. I'm not even familiar with vinyl as a means of covering a wall or ceiling? The client is on an extremely limited budget. The Mike Holmes full tear out isn't an option here, just covering/replacing the existing damage.

The entire community has patios like this- the ceiling of all of the patios are drywall- some with ceiling fans and such. I should note that it is in Phoenix Arizona, but still I agree with you. Poor planning/design. If you had to do drywall repair here*edited as I'm not supposed to ask about pricing* I don't want to be unfair but it isn't a little hole patch.

Tinstaafl I noticed you edited my post and didn't contact me or give me any notice why. I just noticed the little "edited by" in the corner or I'd have never known. I am newer, can you help me better understand the rules, and why it is unreasonable/not allowed for me to ask what others would charge for a job like this? Is a price "range" not permitted either? Thanks in advance.

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Old 03-22-2011, 02:29 PM   #62
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What kind of finish would you be putting on it? BTW welcome fellow Phoenix resident !! North side in da house !

I did a repair similar to that (about 2 4 X 8 sheets) in a living room a couple weeks ago. PM me for ballpark price.

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Hey brother how you doing? Thanks for the guidance offer- glad to see theres apparently two of us still working in Phoenix..

Knock down for finish-approximately 2-3 4x8 sheets of mold resist, maybe 50 LF of cracking joints- Nice weather yesterday to do some work huh? Calm before the storm..here comes hell's fury.....

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Tear it out & cover with vinyl. Drywall should never be used on exteriors.

I've seen hundreds of drywall porch ceilings fail.

I didn't even know there was such a thing as dw for exterior until I saw someone on the forum use it for a curved porch ceiling some time ago.

I have a porch similiar to the one in the pic and have contemplated using it, if I could find some around here, But, I am leery of it.
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Old 03-23-2011, 10:32 AM   #65
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pretty much every house out here in phoenix has it underneath the patio in the back like in the photo..my entire neighborhood, my current client, my mother's home, many past clients, and another client later this week..all homes with drywall ceilings outside..sounds like this is not common eleswhere? Still don't have a clue what you mean by using vinyl as a coverng instead fo drywall..I've been in AZ since 1976 (when I was born) and I can only assume you mean some type of vinyl paneling like a siding that is common in other parts of the U.S.?

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We drywalled alot of porch ceilings here in Florida through the 70's into the 90's. I'm sure some builders still do it.

Not a good idea Tape always seems to fail eventually. Texture seperates and falls off.

I underestimated a repair once where the texture was falling off.

We had a thread on this topic some time ago. I'd use the narrow mesh that fits into the space where you removed all the paper tape. And I always use spray adhesive first for a good bond.

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Tinstaafl I noticed you edited my post and didn't contact me or give me any notice why. I just noticed the little "edited by" in the corner or I'd have never known. I am newer, can you help me better understand the rules, and why it is unreasonable/not allowed for me to ask what others would charge for a job like this? Is a price "range" not permitted either? Thanks in advance.
Oops, missed this earlier. Forum policy is not to allow work pricing questions, simply since there are too many variables for one person's price to be appropriate for someone else. We all have different overhead, efficiencies, profit targets and markets. Historically, threads like that lead to arguments and confusion.


We often refer people to this thread: Pricing, Estimating and Success.
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That is something I hadn't considered.. a price thread leading to arguements. Thanks guys.
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....just want to add that I helped a buddy with his bathroom a long time ago and we used pre-mix with mesh on the drywall...a few weeks later we used setting type (I call it hot mud) with mesh in another room. The bath cracked within a few weeks and the other room is still good to this day. I am glad I made that mistake there...

I use mesh all the time now with hot mud for the first two coats....just like greg.
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Hi Phoenix,
I have also seen drywalled ceilings in open air environments, although it was in Fla.
I can't remember if the installers said it was code or their preference but they used densi-armor drywall. They also said to use ONLY fiber mesh tape and hot mud as paper and premix would de-laminate in the humidity.
I can't verify the success of those materials as it was done only 6 years ago...but there ya go.
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Wow thanks guys, I am certainly NOT a drywall pro like you guys, but I actually feel pretty decent about this job after your responses.. I used a couple 4x8 sheets of MR to replace the missing areas that the client has taken down, I backblocked in appropriate areas, used hot 90 to embed the mesh tape, 90 again on second, water thinned some all purpose and rolled on with a 3/8 roller for the third and final-then hit the entire surface with a water based exterior flat latex as a primer coat, applied knock down, and put a second and final coat of water based exterior flat latex over the entire surface. Oh and I used an elastomeric custom patch for drywall to stucco areas, and a silicone for drywall to wood areas. The clients are very pleased with the results.

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Paper on cracks and seams, mesh on holes?

I'd love to see this thread continue with more stories where people have used both...
Mesh works great on holes and patches. I apply 2 layers of mesh with hot mud. Couldn't imagine using mesh on new joints.
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Wow thanks guys, I am certainly NOT a drywall pro like you guys, but I actually feel pretty decent about this job after your responses.. I used a couple 4x8 sheets of MR to replace the missing areas that the client has taken down, I backblocked in appropriate areas, used hot 90 to embed the mesh tape, 90 again on second, water thinned some all purpose and rolled on with a 3/8 roller for the third and final-then hit the entire surface with a water based exterior flat latex as a primer coat, applied knock down, and put a second and final coat of water based exterior flat latex over the entire surface. Oh and I used an elastomeric custom patch for drywall to stucco areas, and a silicone for drywall to wood areas. The clients are very pleased with the results.
Phoenix, I'm glad everyone is all happy. But MR board is not spec'd for ceiling use. Regular drwall would have been better and they do make exterior board also.

And if I were to to any exterior drywall I would at least put a high quality satin paint to help keep moisture from getting in. People always think they can just ''hose off'' the ceiling with water.

This thread is getting a little off track.
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CRAP. What happens if I used it and the gig is all done? Is it a big enough issue to where I should redo the whole thing??? How can I tell if they used the exterior or ceiling spec drywall in the first place?? Shoot - thanks alot man for telling me about this- I was feeling all good about it too..

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Phoenix, I would'nt worry about it. Just chalk it up to experience.
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Murphy,

Take much of what you read here with a grain of salt. There are a lot of people posting with alleged authority about subjects they know nothing about.

With that being said, there is nothing wrong with mesh tape PROVIDED you bed it with a SETTING COMPOUND. It will not hold up using any sort of premix mud. 90% of people do not know this and thus think the tape does not work or have issues with it. These people don't read directions!

Personally, I use mesh on all the flats and paper in the corners. Use setting compound for the first two coats and finish with medium weight premix.

I'm actually working with an editor from a major trade publication on an article called "The Remodeler's Drywall Survival Tooklit" at the moment, so there is obviously a lot more to elaborate on.

Mesh tape IS OK...You heard it from me!
Hang on a minute, mesh tape isnt alright all the time so what makes you seem to think no one here knows nothing about this subject?
Firstly it wasnt designed for replacing paper tape it was for small hole patches not much bigger than a hammer head size. Secondly it isnt guaranteed by the manufacturer to not crack on joints, so why would a tradesman leave themself open to backcharge and unhappy customers because he or she was to LAZY to go mix a bucket of mud and paper tape a job.Stuff fixing joints that crack, what a nightmare. Ive used it for patching sparky holes etc and its good for that. Mesh becomes to brittle when plaster dries on it. Also why would using all purpose cause cracking over basecoat? Id like to hear it cause its called all purpose for a good reason including a guarantee that it does really work as an all purpose mud.This "publication" you are working on is sending the wrong idea if this is the info you are giving to the reader who I assume is the DIY type person...sorry if I sound like Im giving you a hard time to plz dont hate me

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Murphy,

Take much of what you read here with a grain of salt. There are a lot of people posting with alleged authority about subjects they know nothing about.

With that being said, there is nothing wrong with mesh tape PROVIDED you bed it with a SETTING COMPOUND. It will not hold up using any sort of premix mud. 90% of people do not know this and thus think the tape does not work or have issues with it. These people don't read directions!

Personally, I use mesh on all the flats and paper in the corners. Use setting compound for the first two coats and finish with medium weight premix.

I'm actually working with an editor from a major trade publication on an article called "The Remodeler's Drywall Survival Tooklit" at the moment, so there is obviously a lot more to elaborate on.

Mesh tape IS OK...You heard it from me!
hang on a minute, mesh tape isnt allright all the time. wasnt it designed to just patch holes? its the easy way out for ppl to lazy to mix a bucket and use paper tape which is guaranteed not to crack unlike mesh tape.
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Just posting to add a little pepper to the grains of salt that you should be taking. Nice Golf shirt and truck Greg (you look nice). I'm just replying because I know nothing about taping (after doing it for 20 years).

Murphy. grab a piece of paper from your printer. Hold it on both sides. Pull down with your right hand and up with your left hand. Can you flex the paper??? No!!! Ok, go grab some mesh tape and try the same thing. Does it flex, well what do you know, it does!!! Do you really believe that applying a compound that hardens and can crumble if movement happens over a material that can flex is a good idea? I don't care if you coat it with concrete, if any movement in the structure you're using it in happens, you'll get cracks...

Recently, I've seen places I taped (with paper) and there was a lot of movement in the structure (cottages heaved by frost). Oddly enough, none of my seams cracked, but the actual drywall had cracks at pressure points. You would think the joints would crack, but they didn't. Guess what, I used paper tape.

So please take what I've said with a grain of salt. I'm currently working on a job retaping every seam and corner because the last contractor used mesh tape. Cracks everywhere!!!

Greg, I hope that article you are working on is for Home Owners. I'm guessing your warranty for your work is a long one (as long as the customers driveway). And please realize there are actually people on this forum with many years experience and do know what they are talking about. You heard it from me...
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to start there is nothing wrong with mesh its just personal taste.

the pluses to mesh are speed its faster, its cleaner, and its great for hitting those little overcuts around light boxes that sometimes get missed, just remember to use a setting material like durabond when doing joints. a monkey can put mesh on and never worry about bubbles

the bad do not use it in angles, its freaken expensive we generally only use it when the customer pays for material. if you oversand it which happens, it frays and sticks out like a sore thumb as where paper may show a little but as longas the edges dont show once painted you will never know.

and thats all i have to say about that
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as long as you are using quickset mud it works just fine.Great for cold weather(no freezing overnight). And small jobs, so you can get more than one coat in a day. Never use it in angles and the work should turn out golden.As for everyone down it. Using durabond is a pain in the butt, because of the consant washing of tools and having to work a little harder because of the time restraints.And if quickset sets in your pan or on your knife, its a SOB to clean up.

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