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Old 11-08-2007, 07:55 PM   #41
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mesh tape has great uses. .....patches, taping metal, or interior work where temperature isnt a great variable. But i will not use it on new construction where the house/job site is not completely closed in. I hand-taped a garage once in a place that got below 35 degrees at night. ...came back to the jobsite after it was painted a week or so later and EVERY joint (field joints as well as butts) had a hairline crack in it the full length of the joint. It was first coated with AP, topped w/ hot mud and topping and hand textured with topping on different days.
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Old 11-08-2007, 08:07 PM   #42
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Ok, I see we have some here that seem to LOVE mesh tape. I stand with my first comment that it's too expensive to do a house with mesh tape and coat everything with durabond. Some say it will make me more money by being quicker and I just don't see it. So take this scenario and give me your time line, here is mine that we do almost every week, week after week.

You have a 4,000 sq ft house, thats about 16,000 feet of board (334 12' boards). Now all of our houses are smooth walls and crows foot stomp texture, no spray around here. We also do commercial work but pretty much the same applies just you don't have to worry about top bands and texture because we are doing grid ceilings if anything board above grid it will be fire-tape only.

Monday: board hangers on site 7:00 a.m. done by 8:00 p.m.
Tuesday: Finishers on site 7:00 a.m. taped and bead filled by 5:30 p.m.
Wednesday: Finishers on site 7:00 a.m. finish bed coat by 3:00 p.m. play golf
Thursday: Finishers on site 7:00 a.m. finish coat house and texture ceilings done by 6:00 p.m.
Friday: Sanders on site 8:00 a.m. sand house and touch up done by 2:00 p.m.
Saturday & Sunday: spend with wife and kids.
Monday: do it all over again on the next one.

I feel our production is pretty good and don't see where spending the extra for Mesh and all Durabond would benefit. Someone please show me the light on how mesh tape is so much better for us to use.

Thanks,

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I have read a bunch of posts where it seems like everyone hates the mesh tape. Why? I have used it about a hundred times and never had any trouble. I never use it in corners but I have used it on ceilings for third floors and garage finishes.
Is it going to be ok on the ceiling because no one is walking on top of the floors.
What is the reasoning behind it being garbage?
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meshtape is all i use on flats and butts if you are using it with durabond your golden
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Ok, I see we have some here that seem to LOVE mesh tape. I stand with my first comment that it's too expensive to do a house with mesh tape and coat everything with durabond. Some say it will make me more money by being quicker and I just don't see it. So take this scenario and give me your time line, here is mine that we do almost every week, week after week.

You have a 4,000 sq ft house, thats about 16,000 feet of board (334 12' boards). Now all of our houses are smooth walls and crows foot stomp texture, no spray around here. We also do commercial work but pretty much the same applies just you don't have to worry about top bands and texture because we are doing grid ceilings if anything board above grid it will be fire-tape only.

Monday: board hangers on site 7:00 a.m. done by 8:00 p.m.
Tuesday: Finishers on site 7:00 a.m. taped and bead filled by 5:30 p.m.
Wednesday: Finishers on site 7:00 a.m. finish bed coat by 3:00 p.m. play golf
Thursday: Finishers on site 7:00 a.m. finish coat house and texture ceilings done by 6:00 p.m.
Friday: Sanders on site 8:00 a.m. sand house and touch up done by 2:00 p.m.
Saturday & Sunday: spend with wife and kids.
Monday: do it all over again on the next one.

I feel our production is pretty good and don't see where spending the extra for Mesh and all Durabond would benefit. Someone please show me the light on how mesh tape is so much better for us to use.

Thanks,

Joe...
meshtape and durabond is all i use on my jobs only becuse on your flats,bead you can do it in 2 coats 1coat durabon 1 coat mudd
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You are all a bunch of drywall animals with no life who should be spending more time with your wife and kids than sitting at your desk browsing **** and visiting this site.- just like me.
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Ok guys and gals. Here it is in a nutshell.
I have been doing construction most of my life and drywall for almost 30 years.

It completely depends on the job, so thats what you need to decide. I am considered an "old timer" so most would think I like paper. Not so. It has its purposes in new construction especially in the corners but on reno's where the foundation is usually quite old then Mesh is the best.

As for affordability, in a large job as a sub then you save for piece work so use paper. For Reno's or New Construction from the customer then use mesh. You simply roll on the cost to customer.

I personnally use Mesh everywhere now, (yep, I said it) even in the corners. The problem most have with mesh in the corner is how it trowells. Guess what? Sometimes new products take some getting use to. I bazooka hot mud in the corners and speeds up time considerably. I had a crack once and that was 6 months after a hurricane hit. If hotmud (not premixed) is used then there is never a problem. (exceptions to the rule are if the studs are very wet, then it doesnt matter what you use) I also hang and leave a small gap in butt ends and in corners (usually 1/8 or less) so the mud can meld. The mesh is stronger and faster. If you have used it and it cracks after a few years then you used pre-mixed crap that should have been used only for a finish coat.

Hope this helps.
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Ok, went to the CGC site. They clearly state that you should be using either Durabond or Sheetrock compounds with their mesh tape.

No finishing compound for first coat with the mesh. You can finish with finishing compound.
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exactly, I prefer sheetroc 90 for my first coat but have used durabond lots also. For whatever reason (probably a local thing) there seems to be more sheetroc around.
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Ok guys and gals. Here it is in a nutshell.
I have been doing construction most of my life and drywall for almost 30 years.

It completely depends on the job, so thats what you need to decide. I am considered an "old timer" so most would think I like paper. Not so. It has its purposes in new construction especially in the corners but on reno's where the foundation is usually quite old then Mesh is the best.

As for affordability, in a large job as a sub then you save for piece work so use paper. For Reno's or New Construction from the customer then use mesh. You simply roll on the cost to customer.

I personnally use Mesh everywhere now, (yep, I said it) even in the corners. The problem most have with mesh in the corner is how it trowells. Guess what? Sometimes new products take some getting use to. I bazooka hot mud in the corners and speeds up time considerably. I had a crack once and that was 6 months after a hurricane hit. If hotmud (not premixed) is used then there is never a problem. (exceptions to the rule are if the studs are very wet, then it doesnt matter what you use) I also hang and leave a small gap in butt ends and in corners (usually 1/8 or less) so the mud can meld. The mesh is stronger and faster. If you have used it and it cracks after a few years then you used pre-mixed crap that should have been used only for a finish coat.

Hope this helps.

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Mesh for patch and reapir , everything else gets paper on my jobs.
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We use kevlar mesh tape from dupont.
It is same as they use on the space station remodel.

It costs a little more.
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WOW! this post started back in Jan 2007 and you guys haven't figured this out yet
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WOW! this post started back in Jan 2007 and you guys haven't figured this out yet
Frank, thats cause mesh tapers are always trying to get us to say "its allright",,, wonder why they just can't go ahead and use it,,,,, ?????
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I still did'nt find time to do that ''mesh vs. paper'' sawhorse and ''pull on them'' test yet.

Any volunteers?
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I think the mesh will work fine AS LONG AS THE PROPER MUD is used. It's like a concrete slab. The mesh is just there to give some support to the slab, not to be the actual load bearing product. Would you use the same analogy for a concrete slab? If so, then they should not be using mesh but rather solid sheets of metal in the slab but they use mesh because it's more affordable and serves the purpose.

Same with mesh tape and paper tape. The paper tape is not supposed to be some type of load bearer in the event of settling between the section on either side of the joint. The hardened mud is providing the load bearing in that case. The paper is just an additional support factor. Technically, mesh should provide a better support, much like mesh in a concrete slab. The mud would be around all parts of the mesh and harden so the mesh becomes an integral part of the joint, whereas paper actually separates the mud so that the mud on either side of the paper never really get a chance to join together and harden (although it does "soak" into the paper to some extent). I think they both have their pluses and minuses and I have used both. I generally do use paper more often since it's more affordable (aka cheaper) and generally is thinner than the mesh so butt joints benefit from paper.
Every roll of mesh tape ive seen has specific intructions to use setting type mud with mesh tape. There is no "analogy."
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wow, this is really funny. I started reading to see what info I could gain from everyone's experience...I finished reading because it was hilarious entertainment. I can't believe this subject is so polarized, who needs politics?
I vote for both, depending on application.
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I took the below "before" photos today- there was some water damage from a bad roof, client pulled down all the damaged sagging drywall. The water seemed to have run down the joints on the back side, came through the joints, and the paper tape was coming down/out/hanging..I did find some joints that were repaired with fiber tape from another person some time ago, and they were strong/fine, with water damaged/hanging material around them.. But rest of drywall in great shape/solid.

I was going to use fiber tape and some setting/45 minute, now you guys have me rethinking the fiber tape..which I've always used..never even used paper. That first guy was pretty rude to Greg though-can't we all just get along for Pete's sake?

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Tear it out & cover with vinyl. Drywall should never be used on exteriors.

I've seen hundreds of drywall porch ceilings fail.

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