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Old 02-15-2014, 09:56 PM   #21
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6" knife for insides taping and finishing. 6" for taping flats then 12" to finish.

Anyone else when taping inside corners use the knife sideways to mud the corners?
Using a 6" knife I can spread the mud quickly 2/3 the way down this way in one pass then bottom up last 1/3.
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Old 02-15-2014, 10:07 PM   #22
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The original question was in regards to what knifes were used to obtain satisfactory results....... was it not?

My original follow up said that he would get a thousand different answers.

The OP came back saying that a 4" knife................was no way!

This "so called" Pro was trying to give him the most efficient answer.

That is what we are all here for............is it not?

Sanding sucks.......... you wanna sand 6" 8" and 12" inch corners?

Go for it!
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I was not including you as a Pro as you are not a taper by trade just another guy with an opinion
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I was not including you as a Pro as you are not a taper by trade just another guy with an opinion
Actually.... I am a finisher that turned into a home improvement guy. My wife was a finisher for about 25 years until she blew out her rotator cuff a while back. My son has been at it for about 15 years, and is a bit more "new school". He primarily runs machine tools on all of his jobs. I had some pretty good training from both of them before I entered the field. I spent 6 years pulling mud until the last company I worked for removed me from the field to perform estimating duties. I lasted about 3 years. I couldn't stand looking at prints, UL codes, and estimating software all day long. I run my own little company now and drywall is only about 25-30 % of my business. Mostly "lipstick on a pig" stuff to help realtors move property, or builders that need a fast/neat texture repair guy.

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Oh and I'll add....

I avoid using the idiot stick to compensate for poor taping skills. A quick light sanding at the end is all that should be required. Focus on a few stray snots and final feathering

(Idiot stick is sanding pole)

Pretty funny, and it reminds me of sanding my own work when I first worked production. When sanding day came around, nobody in the crew wanted to help sand my work. They would all laugh and pile into other rooms or areas where the experienced finishers had bedded & skimmed. It was all in fun, but it was also a incentive for me to improve.
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There's few things I dislike more than sanding someone's work when they have no clue what they're doing. I've done that once in the past, that I can recall, to help out a friend whose brother was supposed to be building an addition for her. The coarsest I had was 80 grit, so that's what I used, and it still took me a few hours to get it ready start doing coats - every joint was humped up bad.

The worst part was, he wasn't supposed to be there, but he showed just as I was finishing sanding, grabbed a hawk and trowel, and laid it on thick right over the joints. No detailing, no feathering, just a big mess. I just kept my mouth shut and left. Stills get me POd.
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if you',re not efficient enough to run a 4" down a angle ,you're not going to do any better with a 6".
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if you',re not efficient enough to run a 4" down a angle ,you're not going to do any better with a 6".
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There's few things I dislike more than sanding someone's work when they have no clue what they're doing. I've done that once in the past, that I can recall, to help out a friend whose brother was supposed to be building an addition for her. The coarsest I had was 80 grit, so that's what I used, and it still took me a few hours to get it ready start doing coats - every joint was humped up bad.

The worst part was, he wasn't supposed to be there, but he showed just as I was finishing sanding, grabbed a hawk and trowel, and laid it on thick right over the joints. No detailing, no feathering, just a big mess. I just kept my mouth shut and left. Stills get me POd.

I run into that stuff all the time. Everyone thinks that finishing is mindless/easy work until they realize they need a lot more than a few buckets of mud and a 6" plastic knife from LOWES.
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.....[/QUOTEt] Sanding your own work is the best way to learn taping. We dont hand coat much but when we do we use a 10" and 12" for cornerbeads. We use an 8" to wipe tape(flats and butts) and always keep a 6" in back pocket.... 4" and 5" knives are in the tool bags but get used rarely. We will pick angles with a 6". Final coats (touch up butts) we use 12" or 14". We use Blueline boxes and tepetech angleheads

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I've never laughed so hard in my life!!!!
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I've never laughed so hard in my life!!!!
That's cause your a box man LOL
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That's cause your a box man LOL
No....not really! I will use the boxes on the block coat[sometimes] But after that It's all skimmed out by hand.
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No....not really! I will use the boxes on the block coat[sometimes] But after that It's all skimmed out by hand.
Now that your here, please elaborate....

Your welcome for the laugh.
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Now that your here, please elaborate....

Your welcome for the laugh.
Block coat on the seams I'll load and cut the edge with an 8'' then smooth out with the 10'' Then stripe the seams using a 5'' wiping it down with an 8''to hide the tape line [or a heavy sanding but that makes for a trashy skim] ,Then skim the seam with the 12'' [3 coats]

That's an old vid ..I use a 7'' mud box now for the block coat.

I use Mint craft knives . I never cared for the narrow banded knives ..After about 2 or 3 homes i'll pitch the 10'' and 12'' broad knives ,when they start getting flimsy There not much count for blocking or skimming .

1 could never get the hang of running the angles with a 4'' !
1 was taught running angles with a 5'' [ Works for me]

On bead 3 coats 1st coat 10'' 2 skims with a 12''
On butts Whatever it takes 3-4 coats with 12'' sometimes i'll break out the 14''..
On field screws 2 heavy with a cut down 5'' [a sliver off the top and sides] Then a tight 2 skims with a 6'' I try not to pad em....
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I've tried the new Kraft ss 5''/The new Sheetrock 5''/The new Hyde 5''.
Didn't like them! I prefer the old style Hyde.

Just my 2 cents ..
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Now that your here, please elaborate....

Your welcome for the laugh.
BTW.....My apologies for being a smart as$ ..
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my 3 way knife is a 4.5'' and a 5.5'' I cut them down
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I've been working with a 12 inch trowel and hawk lately. 6 inch stiff knife to bed tape, then the trowel for every thing else. The narrow edge works great for corners and narrow spots. I find it's easier to pull the top coat tighter as well.

I'm not a taper by trade, so my speed wouldn't win any awards, but in the end it looks good and I like the feel of the trowel over the knives, and it doesn't seem as effected by goobers on my top coat.
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I taped for years with knifes and bread pan. On with a 6 off with an 8, on with the 8 off with a 10, on with 10 off with 12. This was the way I was taught. A couple years ago I changed to a hawk and 12" trowel. After a short time I found my sanding time was cut way down with the trowel and my joints were looking better. I now have a 12, 14, and 16" set of trowels. The only time I use a knife is a 4" on the angles and 3 ways.
To the OP if an 8" knife works for you then use it, but if you learn with a 4 or 5" i think you will find it easier and faster.

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