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Old 10-25-2010, 05:09 AM   #21
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I'll give you a little tip if your rocking a kitchen, rip a sheet in half lengthwise, shove the first rip (2') up to the ceiling with the factory edge down, then a full width sheet, then the other rip at the bottom. This will eliminate the joint where the backsplash is and usualy all the outlets, most of the joints will be behind cabinets so you only have to finish tape where there are no cabinets.
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Old 10-25-2010, 05:31 AM   #22
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I'll give you a little tip if your rocking a kitchen, rip a sheet in half lengthwise, shove the first rip (2') up to the ceiling with the factory edge down, then a full width sheet, then the other rip at the bottom. This will eliminate the joint where the backsplash is and usualy all the outlets, most of the joints will be behind cabinets so you only have to finish tape where there are no cabinets.
Exactly what I always do too!

And when running mud you will always have a few lines and scratches on first coats, it is not supposed to look pretty till the 3rd coat. And remember.........thin,thin,thin. Too much mud and you'll be sanding your arse off!
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I hate mudding also. Rarely do it. It's an art.
But, I've learned some tips. The adding water, putting pressure on the outside, go fairly thin, and keep feathering out.
I'll use (2) 6" knives and work the compound between the two. Before I start the next coat, I won't sand, I'll scrape any lines down with the putty knife. Then taper it out. Sand last coat. Sometimes 3 coats, sometimes 4.

To use someones line from here: "I'm nobody's mudder!"
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Mudding is like bowling, if you bowl once a year you can't expect to average a 280.

You can watch a 280 avg. bowler and he can tell you tips but you will still only struggle to a fair score.

Now go bowling once a week for a year or two and you will have the little nuances that make a 280 avg. attainable..... if ya don't drink to much beer.
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I sand my 1st coat lightly just to make it more smother so the other coats can apply easily and very light sand on the final coat, light sand as in im walking with the sander holding it on the wall for 75% of the sanding

there is guys that i heard of that almost never sand, i don't know how they pull that off using Sheetrock as their 1st coat
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1. Positive patient attitude
2. Slow down
3. Leave it alone, stop messing with it on the first and second coat
4. USE THE WIDEST KNIFE PRACTICAL
5. Use enough mud
6. Get off ALL of the excess
7. Filling more later is better then sanding off too much
8. Use 5, 20 or 45 minute hot mud to fix the little mprefections until you get better.
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Clean, well mixed mud, good quality knives, stainless pan. Do not use the crappy plastic mud pans. Like someone said earlier, if you don't do it regularly, of course you will suck at it. Take your time, clean the pan and knives thoroughly, and don't expect miracles.
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im not all that great at it either. sometimes better than other times. i usually dont do alot of drywall so i just do it myself.. but if i have any big jobs i have a buddy i call up and he handles it for me.
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Over the last few years I been getting better. The wet blade makes a massive difference to the finish. I can get it to the point I don't have to even sand some joints. Practice practice practice I'm gonna try the mixing a bit of water with my bucket of mud next time. It def comes out to thick at times. Seems to work better after mixing it a little also.
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I was lucky. The first Builder I worked for did all their taping in-house. He taught me well. Good in that I learned it right, Bad in that I had to wait a couple years before he'd let me touch any trim. On each house, I worked on the concrete, frame, roof, paint exterior, drywall, tape, paint interior, put on door knobs. Rinse and Repeat.

Didn't touch any trim, interior or exterior, till I jumped to a different crew.

"Estimate" gave good advice. Wipe it on, Take everything you can off. Only coat to go heavy on, is the first one, And that should only be enough to cover the tape. With experience, you'll get the feel.

I used to get kidded about them needing a belt sander when I was first learning.
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I'm gonna try the mixing a bit of water with my bucket of mud next time. It def comes out to thick at times. Seems to work better after mixing it a little also.
Just whipping the mud will make it creamy and more workable. Adding a touch of water helps to make it a little softer and easier to handle, though you have to be careful because too much and the mud slides off your knife into your face, down your back, and everywhere else but on the wall or ceiling where it belongs.
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I don't know the exact name for it but there is mud in a 5 gal pail that has a brown top, this stuff is like miricle whip! Hard to find it localy but when we were in a bigger city doing a Pac Sun store I was at the drywall place and asked about it, the stuff is super nice.
I worked along side an older french taper years ago and he showed me a few secrets, go real easy on the water by the way, but he used some liquid dish soap, made the mud glide on! It somehow takes the air bubbles out of the taping.
Ultraflex no-coat is also a super product for vaulted or odd angles or in case someone screwed up hangin'. just sayin'
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Mudding is like bowling, if you bowl once a year you can't expect to average a 280.

You can watch a 280 avg. bowler and he can tell you tips but you will still only struggle to a fair score.

Now go bowling once a week for a year or two and you will have the little nuances that make a 280 avg. attainable..... if ya don't drink to much beer.
That doesn't even come close...I assure you I do a much better job in remodeling then in bowling, I like Hammers and Drills and not "BALLS". LOL
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Mudding is like bowling, if you bowl once a year you can't expect to average a 280.

You can watch a 280 avg. bowler and he can tell you tips but you will still only struggle to a fair score.

Now go bowling once a week for a year or two and you will have the little nuances that make a 280 avg. attainable..... if ya don't drink to much beer.
And 12 years ago when I bowled every week, i thought I was good at around 210 ave. Wow. You're the bomb!!!
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It's tough with new tools also. Properly broken in tools will make your job alot easier. Those knives should be razor sharp. And it takes awhile to break 'em in.
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I feel like a brand new man.

You guys rock

Literally, lol

I'm ready to rock as well, I'll be hitting some more next wk. I've got a 23 ft wall 109" tall, both sides are mine. There's only 2 corners, and a 36" door way.

I feel prepared.
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I feel like a brand new man.

You guys rock

Literally, lol

I'm ready to rock as well, I'll be hitting some more next wk. I've got a 23 ft wall 109" tall, both sides are mine. There's only 2 corners, and a 36" door way.

I feel prepared.
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The thing to keep in mind is that while your working the wet mud, if you're getting something you don't like, it's easy enough to scrape it all off and start over (while wet, of course ).

Always, always, always, lay your knife flat to the wall and scrape the wall down between coats. This will knock off any dingle berries, high spots, and ridges from the previous coat. Your final coat shouldn't be much more than the thickness of a hair just to catch the few low spots or fill in a ridge or something.

On a fresh wall, sanding should only be about as severe as when you were scraping with a knife, just to knock down any irregularities. Keep in mind that if you're going to texture, minor flaws in the surface will be covered/hidden by the texture. If you're going for a smooth finish, then you'll need to sand a little more diligently. Circle any problem spots with a pencil to go back and touch up later. If you're trying to blend into a textured surface, you're going to have a little more sanding to do to get rid of ridges caused by the knife chattering across the texture AND to blend the end point of the patch into the texture itself. When you apply texture over the patch, you're going to "overshoot" the patch just a little bit to blend it into the existing texture. There are some other tricks to completely hide a patch job with your painting technique, if you need them, just ask.
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And 12 years ago when I bowled every week, i thought I was good at around 210 ave. Wow. You're the bomb!!!
Alright you jokesters, the point is if you go bowling a lot you'll be great at mudding.

We'll something like that.

And a 210, jeez, I could have Obama bowling a 210 in a week.

I know ...... Just practice Aaron, You'll get better.
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Best tip I can give you.....

Hire a drywaller. I usually only do a room or two at a time but, he charges me about .80 sqft to hang and finish, I supply the board.

They will have a room done in 2 or 3 days and then my painter shows up.

I am just too slow to make any money hanging and finishing.
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I use a Trowel and Knife.
10" First Coat
12" Second & 1st Coat on my Conner Beads
14" Third
20" for Skim ( and to feather bad but joints)
6" Med flex Knife ( I cut mine down 1' to 1' 1/4)

If I have to sand, (Most times I do not) its just a light quick sand to feather the Edge.

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