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Old 12-06-2014, 09:36 PM   #41
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I didn't realize that your job was so special that you don't have to clean up after yourself , That would be like framers leaving lumber laying around with nails sticking out . Oh well the GC will take care of it .
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Old 12-06-2014, 09:43 PM   #42
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Blacktop is this how it is done in your area? I am always amazed at some of the differences in different areas.
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It's the G/Cs job to keep the job site clear of debris ! How hard Is that to understand ?
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It's the G/Cs job to keep the job site clear of debris ! How hard Is that to understand ?
Woa..settle down. I was asking if your GC's clean up your trash. It is NOT the GC's job in all areas. I am trully intetested in how things are done in different areas. If that's how things are in your area, then I understand how you think that's the norm.
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Blacktop is this how it is done in your area? I am always amazed at some of the differences in different areas.
I clean up before the board Is loaded .

I clean up after the board is hung .

I clean up after the board is sanded [ shop vac]

Not my job!
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It's the G/Cs job to keep the job site clear of debris ! How hard Is that to understand ?
Unbelievable ! Good luck with that !
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I clean up before the board Is loaded .

I clean up after the board is hung .

I clean up after the board is sanded [ shop vac]

Not my job!
You should not have to clean up before you start. ...

Otherwise, the rest is on my jobs.

If the job isnt ready thats messed up though.
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I clean up before the board Is loaded .

I clean up after the board is hung .

I clean up after the board is sanded [ shop vac]

Not my job!
I definitely agree 100% you shouldn't have to clean up before board delivery. In my area, if you hang you clean up the drywall scraps. If there isn't a dumpster, a pile in the garage is acceptable. Also in my area, finishers are expected to broom sweep and scrape their mud off the floor.

If it's not your job then why do you do it? Really not trying ruffle any feathers....
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If it's not your job then why do you do it? Really not trying ruffle any feathers....
I don't want to ruffle any feathers ! That's why.
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I don't want to ruffle any feathers ! That's why.
Lol...well certainly a smart move then...even if you dont like doing it.
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..even if you dont like doing it.
i hate it!
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What could be the reason for this decreased production?
Are you doing more commercial work, on steel framing? Those fine-thread screws take about 40% longer to screw in. I expect that's the reason.
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Amazing. Makes as much sense as asking how much to hang 20 sheets a day.

Most of the homes I build run 3000- 4000+ sq/ft, and it takes a 4 man crew (typical for my sub) 2 days to hang it all. Tape and bed in day, day and a half, half a day to fix any issues, and 1 day to texture if a knock down, 2 days for hand texture.

Now, the point is not whether you like how fast or slow my subcontractor is, the point is he does the job for "X", and I have a day I want him done by....he finishes, gets paid, and leaves. The rest of how it happens is his business.

BTW, for estimating, I use $4.35 on the total area to come up with a workable rock number.

Edit....before anyone says impossible, or has a question, keep in mind our drywall guys do not work 8 hours a day, they work as long as they have to to make the schedule work. It isn't my business how many hours it takes to hang 30 or 40 sheets of rock a day per man, if that many, it is my business what I pay them to do it.

Brick masons are the same.....
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While I am on topic, I will add that my masons and rockers are all Mexican guys, with insurance, with WC, and their work ethic is simply different. Both crews bring a microwave with them and eat on site, always are on site at sunup, never leave the site until they leave for the day. If they bitch, I have no idea what they are bitching about, so it is all good.

My framing crew, OTH, is late to show up every day, by my clock, they break for lunch before 12, rarely get back to it before 1:30, and quit by 4 or so every day. Bitch about everything, complain constantly, and some of the guys who show up could be on America's Most Wanted. White crew...not a single Hispanic. But they do great work, and they also have the documents...plus I don't run a time clock...the very definition of employees vs. subs.
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The rockers here not only do their cleanup, but also haul away the scraps. I can't think of any other trade that has to remove their debris from the sites. The cleanup part I understand. I feel that each sub should be responsible for cleaning up their own mess. The hauling away of scraps has always baffled me.
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As a framer all we did was put all the scrap in a pile close to the road with a (free wood) sign and it pretty well took care of itself .
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It's the G/Cs job to keep the job site clear of debris ! How hard Is that to understand ?

I supply a place for garbage to go, not my job to put it there.

We hang our own board to we clean that all up, our finishers vacuum up after they are done.
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It's the G/Cs job to keep the job site clear of debris ! How hard Is that to understand ?
It's hard to understand because it doesn't make sense. Clean up your own mess. Never been on any job that it was the GC'S job to clean up after the trades.
It's like saying it was my Mom's job to pick up my room as a kid. That's how it makes no sense.
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I don't run subs that often, I always say "I'm a remodeler, not a GC". When working with subs I tell them to specify what prep and cleanup they provide. If they want my laborer to clean up so they can move on faster, no problem. I expect a lower cost and I want my laborer there on their last day, I'm not losing a half day of work so I can clean up after they're gone. I always prefer to scrap out the job as I hate seeing a trail of drywall chunks, or nails, or tile pieces, etc. leading from the entrance to the driveway.

I get both viewpoints but I have usually have a laborer and most subs don't. He costs about $20 an hour while they probably cost 3x that. If they want to essentially hire him and knock a couple hundred off the price for cleanup and disposal, it's a deal. I NEVER want my electrician or plumber to clean up unless we're right at the final and my laborer isn't on-site.
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I don't run subs that often, I always say "I'm a remodeler, not a GC". When working with subs I tell them to specify what prep and cleanup they provide. If they want my laborer to clean up so they can move on faster, no problem. I expect a lower cost and I want my laborer there on their last day, I'm not losing a half day of work so I can clean up after they're gone. I always prefer to scrap out the job as I hate seeing a trail of drywall chunks, or nails, or tile pieces, etc. leading from the entrance to the driveway.

I get both viewpoints but I have usually have a laborer and most subs don't. He costs about $20 an hour while they probably cost 3x that. If they want to essentially hire him and knock a couple hundred off the price for cleanup and disposal, it's a deal. I NEVER want my electrician or plumber to clean up unless we're right at the final and my laborer isn't on-site.
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