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Old 06-16-2012, 08:25 PM   #21
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If you consider your self a professional drywaller you should not be charging my the hour. If your doing patch work or skimming out a wall that's different but a brand new hOme you should be doing it by the job. I don't really look at it as how many hours it wI'll take but how many days. When I give the hOme owner the price of the whole job I don't charge a penny more. Yes it can bite me but I no how long it will take and what is involved with the job to price it accordingly. I just don't understand how a home owner can budget on a hourly wage. It is human nature not to work as hard when u are by the hour not by the job. I think if you are a professional you will measure the job out and no hOw long it will take to finish.
I usally do bid out jobs, but if the customer wants to pay by the hour, whats the differance?? Not much if you are a "professional" and do your bids correctly. ive been in this game quite a long time. i know how long it takes me to do things.

I just gave sams club an estimate last week. Took me 15 minutes. most would freak out at a job that big. Its all the same. I know how long it takes me to hang and finish 1 sheet,100 sheets, 1000 sheet. All the same rookie
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Old 06-17-2012, 01:19 AM   #22
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The reason I dOnt agree with by the hour is I have guys around where I am from that are not professionals that get these jobs by the hour and use them to learn how to drywall but charge a piece workers rate.

Also I hope the rookie comment wasn't towards my work because I have been in the boarding and taping trade for a long time.
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The reason I dOnt agree with by the hour is I have guys around where I am from that are not professionals that get these jobs by the hour and use them to learn how to drywall but charge a piece workers rate.

Also I hope the rookie comment wasn't towards my work because I have been in the boarding and taping trade for a long time.

How long is a long time?


And when im out bidding jobs, I dont worry about what the green horn is doing down the road. piece work, hourly, by the day. its all the same when you know what your doing.
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Damn within 30 bucks, I'd say you are doing something right.
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26 years in the business.


I hate when people get ripped off. So to me it does matter.
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The reason I dOnt agree with by the hour is I have guys around where I am from that are not professionals that get these jobs by the hour and use them to learn how to drywall but charge a piece workers rate.
I'm gonna have to agree with MNJ on not worrying about what the other guy is doing. Taking on the martyr role for your customers only encourages your customers to expect it from everyone else, every time after that. There's a reason you're not supposed to feed the squirrels...

Also, I think you or someone else said it earlier in the thread, that new home/new commercial work is a different animal than repair/remodel. If you approach them both with the same method, I think you don't leave any room for the inevitable surprise that comes around.
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Another reason I like giving my guys piece work is that I pay one guy 24 an hour on some chit jobs but on new homes on piece work he busts his a$$ and there is no reason he won't make 60,70,100 an hour busting his butt working 14 hour days. Do not get me wrong he doesn't get paid that much everyday but the way I look at it if you get the job done faster you should get a reward.
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I've crawled in a creepy dirt hole and made $300 for an hour and half's work. Only because no one else would do it. Guy never twitched. On the other hand I've had people bitch about getting charged $300 to put up crown mold in a 15x15 room. You're making $100 an hour? No I'm charging you [email protected] my ladders, my saw, my setup, my skill and all without one scratch on your furniture and I left the place cleaner than I found it
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I'm glad to know i'm not alone. I tried charging by the hour just to make it fair for everyone, but it never works. Wierd I can get $800 to install a big door unit that takes 6 hours and thats fine but they complain when you charge $400 to paint a room that will take 6 hours. it is perceiption. They think hey I could have painted it myself but have no idea how to install a double door. Plus on small jobs You have to go bid it then go do it. I find between bidding and doing I will work 50 hours but only bill 30 hours. If I want to get paid all my time my rate has to reflect 50 hours. They dont want to here that. So I just give them aflat price and they can take it or leave it. I get tired of explaining myself. We dont get retirement, health insurance, vacation and sick days so it all has to be factored in to make a fair living.
You cant spend an hour selling, an hour getting materials another hour talking and collecting to do a 3 hour job that took 6 hours out of your life. Okay im off my soap box!
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Another reason I like giving my guys piece work is that I pay one guy 24 an hour on some chit jobs but on new homes on piece work he busts his a$$ and there is no reason he won't make 60,70,100 an hour busting his butt working 14 hour days. Do not get me wrong he doesn't get paid that much everyday but the way I look at it if you get the job done faster you should get a reward.
the reward for my guys bustin there ass and getting a job done faster is that I allow them to come back the next day.

I asked a guy once if I paid you more would you get more done in a day. He said yes, I said your fired.
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the reward for my guys bustin there ass and getting a job done faster is that I allow them to come back the next day.

I asked a guy once if I paid you more would you get more done in a day. He said yes, I said your fired.
Well I guess your just a hero then. The more work my guys do the more I get paid. I guess I am alone when I want fast workers that still give me quality results. Maybe I never got your sarcasm but if you seriouse that is how you get a bad name.
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I end up doing a lot of weird jobs around here for people I know pretty well.
If it is out of the realm of normal experience, or a little unpredictable, I have said that it'd be less expensive for them if I do the work T&M, because I don't have to go through the estimation process, and won't pad the estimate for potential unforeseeables.

So the guy says, "Great, what do you charge per hour?" so I tell him, and then he says, "How long will it take?"
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Well I guess your just a hero then. The more work my guys do the more I get paid. I guess I am alone when I want fast workers that still give me quality results. Maybe I never got your sarcasm but if you seriouse that is how you get a bad name.
How am i going to get a bad name by expecting my guys to do there job? I only hire the best. When they stop acting like the best there gone. All my guys make great money I don't have to bribe them with under the table stacks of cash to make them do there job
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I never said under the table or by cash. I also see a 6000 sq ft house and give it to them on piece work I don't worrie about them so if they screw the dog it will catch up to them by getting the same pay if it takes them 15 days or 4.
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I'm glad to know i'm not alone. I tried charging by the hour just to make it fair for everyone, but it never works. Wierd I can get $800 to install a big door unit that takes 6 hours and thats fine but they complain when you charge $400 to paint a room that will take 6 hours. it is perceiption. They think hey I could have painted it myself but have no idea how to install a double door. Plus on small jobs You have to go bid it then go do it. I find between bidding and doing I will work 50 hours but only bill 30 hours. If I want to get paid all my time my rate has to reflect 50 hours. They dont want to here that. So I just give them aflat price and they can take it or leave it. I get tired of explaining myself. We dont get retirement, health insurance, vacation and sick days so it all has to be factored in to make a fair living.
You cant spend an hour selling, an hour getting materials another hour talking and collecting to do a 3 hour job that took 6 hours out of your life. Okay im off my soap box!
I hear every bit of your rant. The problem today is too many people in the business. Are they all qualified? It's like any other business in that regard I'd say 20% are true pros 60% are varying levels of middle of the road to mediocre and 20% are hacks, so that's a lot of undersellers. Plus people are hurting on both sides of the equation, the customer and the contractor. Market conditions couldn't be much worse in a nutshell. I'm old enough and been in the game long enough to remember times when if you really wanted to work 1k a week was no problem and that's when a thousand dollars went about 5 times as far as it does today
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employees get an hourly rate period!
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And that's why anyone working for you will go no where. I have done jobs where it worked out to be 120 an hour but I worked my bag off. Why would I work that hard if I only get 25 an hour or less.
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And that's why anyone working for you will go no where. I have done jobs where it worked out to be 120 an hour but I worked my bag off. Why would I work that hard if I only get 25 an hour or less.
Because as an employee, that's what you are being paid to do.
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It's just as someone else said earlier if someone gets a 30% pump at a new job they bust their hump until that becomes their "normal" then they fall to their "normal" pace. It's just human nature.
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And that's why anyone working for you will go no where. I have done jobs where it worked out to be 120 an hour but I worked my bag off. Why would I work that hard if I only get 25 an hour or less.


Going no where? LOL My guys are paid very well. 4 of my carpenters do over 60k a year. Thats really not to shabby for Maine. My foreman does 75k a year. My leads have company trucks, cell phones. If they wernt happy they would of left a long time ago. (just for comparison. doctors make around 80-90k were i live. The average job around here is 25k a year. Why in hell would I pay them 120 dollars an hour? Or are you taking about what you made? If your talking about what your making and if you have a full crew id hope you would be making that. I wouldnt get out of bed for much less if i had a full crew going.

I dont think I like you very much. this whole thread is basically just me and you arguing back and forth.

If you want to pay your guys hundreds of thousands of dollars a year well thats your buisness. I only hire the best guys around. And I pay more then most. But as an employee I feel they should get there wage.

You just keep going on insulting me and my company. Ive been in buisness for 16 years now and I do quite well. I must be doing something right.


I think maybe we should just close this thread

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