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skillman 12-27-2011 10:40 PM

Mike holmes says you cant go wrong with ever over building.:laughing::laughing::laughing:

griz 12-27-2011 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TBFGhost (Post 1369804)
I am going to want to shoot every present day contractor in 20 years when I am trying to reno a house and they thought it would be a good idea to PL Premium everything..... Everything and anything a human will ever build will always need service, and to produce an object in a fashion that only makes service harder or impossible is frustrating and more expensive in both the initial costs and future service costs.

This is why remodeling can get so expensive...:whistling:laughing:

One never knows what or how the previous guy did it...:laughing:

JesseCocozza 12-27-2011 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SSC
The only time i have ever glued drywall was to stiffen up a kneewall both framed in metal or wood.

Maybe we should start gluing the doorknobs to the door, the hinges to the jamb or the wall angle to the wall. :rolleyes:

I have to go glue the fan to the ceiling :laughing:

This made my day... Thanks! Now if you let me get back to work, I just have to finish glueing my washer machine to the floor so it doesn't rock back and forth anymore. It helps dampen the sound as it won't rock into the dryer anymore.

Tech Dawg 12-27-2011 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JesseCocozza

This made my day... Thanks! Now if you let me get back to work, I just have to finish glueing my washer machine to the floor so it doesn't rock back and forth anymore. It helps dampen the sound as it won't rock into the dryer anymore.

That was even funnier :laughing::lol:

skillman 12-27-2011 11:56 PM

Be careful you my give to many people ideas about there movein machines.:laughing::laughing::laughing:

Big Shoe 12-28-2011 05:01 AM

Joe, SSC is right. When I build and hang free standing wall/ knee walls I glue the bottom of the board(paper edge)to the concrete slab and bottom plate.

Try it next time. once that glue sets up that baby ain't gonna rock:thumbsup:

Big Shoe 12-28-2011 05:13 AM

I live in a house built in 1977. All wood framing ,all screws, no glue.

I've pretty much redone this 4,000 sq ft house end to end and never saw one issue with the drywall.

Except why did that poor bastard use 2'' metal screws to hang 1/2'' drywall to the ceiling :blink::blink:

Tom Struble 12-28-2011 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TBFGhost (Post 1369804)
I am going to want to shoot every present day contractor in 20 years when I am trying to reno a house and they thought it would be a good idea to PL Premium everything..... Everything and anything a human will ever build will always need service, and to produce an object in a fashion that only makes service harder or impossible is frustrating and more expensive in both the initial costs and future service costs.

your going to love using your HF laser guided gutster bar:thumbup:

TBFGhost 12-28-2011 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Struble (Post 1370066)
your going to love using your HF laser guided gutster bar:thumbup:

Regrettably I have not purchased one yet. I will have to stick with my Bostitch 24 and 36" bars.

Tom Struble 12-29-2011 07:04 AM

well...you still have 20 years to pick one up:sad:

bob_cntrctr 05-14-2012 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Tinstaafl (Post 1368985)
You put the glue on the studs & joists. :whistling

Resurrecting an old thread - 'cause this makes zero sense to me.

How the heck do you glue drywall to studs through the vapour barrier?

VanGoghFinish 05-14-2012 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bob_cntrctr (Post 1497041)
Resurrecting an old thread - 'cause this makes zero sense to me.

How the heck do you glue drywall to studs through the vapour barrier?

This would be one of of the very few time we do not screw and glue our jobs. The other one would be when I uneducated insulator staples the :censored: paper to the face of the framing like a retard! I cant believe the amount of debate of this subject. Here on the east coast you guys would never get a job for any reputable building company if you didnt plan on at the very least gluing and nailing perimeters and screwing the fields. Although my company has went to all and screws and glue about 10 years ago which is by far the Cadillac method of installing a quality rock job. And for the guys who say that there jobs or homes they live in that have been nailed dont have a "single pop":rolleyes: your not looking hard enough they are there! maybe you dont care to see them.

TNTRenovate 05-14-2012 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by VanGoghFinish (Post 1497263)
This would be one of of the very few time we do not screw and glue our jobs. The other one would be when I uneducated insulator staples the :censored: paper to the face of the framing like a retard! I cant believe the amount of debate of this subject. Here on the east coast you guys would never get a job for any reputable building company if you didnt plan on at the very least gluing and nailing perimeters and screwing the fields. Although my company has went to all and screws and glue about 10 years ago which is by far the Cadillac method of installing a quality rock job. And for the guys who say that there jobs or homes they live in that have been nailed dont have a "single pop":rolleyes: your not looking hard enough they are there! maybe you dont care to see them.

The proper way to install paper faced insulation is to staple it to the face of the stud. The paper is the vapor barrier. Stapling it to the inside of the studs does several things: 1) creates air channels 2) compresses the insulation at the edges and 3) diminishes it's fire rating.

I guess you meant an uneducated installer, as an educated installer would know the reasons for proper installation and how to educate uninformed GC's and Reputable builders.

WarnerConstInc. 05-14-2012 08:26 PM

I just use contact cement, screws are too spendy.

Tinstaafl 05-14-2012 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TNTSERVICES (Post 1497274)
The proper way to install paper faced insulation is to staple it to the face of the stud.

I just took a cruise around the Owens-Corning site, and all of the examples I saw showed the paper being stapled to the sides of the studs. Not that I don't think face-stapling isn't more effective, can you provide a link to a manufacturer's recommendation for doing so?

Inner10 05-14-2012 10:44 PM

You can still buy paper back insulation? Wow haven't seen that stuff in eons.

TNTRenovate 05-15-2012 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Tinstaafl (Post 1497309)
I just took a cruise around the Owens-Corning site, and all of the examples I saw showed the paper being stapled to the sides of the studs. Not that I don't think face-stapling isn't more effective, can you provide a link to a manufacturer's recommendation for doing so?

They also show the 2x4's touching the cinder block wall of a "basement"...don't think I would take much stock in the accuracy of the installation methods of the photos, but I will find some data.

TNTRenovate 05-15-2012 01:23 AM

Here's is what I found. Both ways are approved by Owens Corning. The benefit of side stapling is to the drywaller, but will obviously reduce the VB properties of the facing. And common sense tells us that the insulation will be compressed some what along the edges, thus reducing the R value in those areas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGQ9u...hannel&list=UL

Go to about 1:30...

Tinstaafl 05-16-2012 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TNTSERVICES (Post 1497388)
The benefit of side stapling is to the drywaller, but will obviously reduce the VB properties of the facing.

One thing that bears mentioning is that kraft paper is classed as a vapor retarder, not a barrier. In that sense, fastening over the stud faces is far from paramount.

Where it makes the most difference is when you think in terms of air barriers, which are much more important. But a typical properly done drywall job provides an excellent air barrier. After re-thinking and re-researching this subject for the umpteenth-thousand time, I'm prepared to say that face-fastening under those conditions is completely unnecessary overkill, and accomplishes little other than to make hanging the drywall difficult.

Good article and subsequent discussion from Martin Holladay here:

http://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/...vapor-barriers

Inner10 05-16-2012 11:54 AM

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Where it makes the most difference is when you think in terms of air barriers, which are much more important. But a typical properly done drywall job provides an excellent air barrier. After re-thinking and re-researching this subject for the umpteenth-thousand time, I'm prepared to say that face-fastening under those conditions is completely unnecessary overkill, and accomplishes little other than to make hanging the drywall difficult.
I like how at 3:00 the video explains to insulate around a pipe...here we always insulate behind the pipe if it has to run on an ext wall and put the vapor barrier behind the pipe.

Still doesn't nailing on the inside compress the edges and leave an unwanted air space all around the edge?

...The existence of paper back insulation still confuses me. :laughing:


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