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dman3434 02-08-2005 10:52 PM

Estimated Drywall Labor Rate
 
What might someone estimate per two man crew for an 8 hour day to hang and or finish drywall? Refering to typical garden style wood frame apartments? Just trying to find out what to estimate per sheet or sq. ft. for a day.

Thanks for your help and time.

housedocs 02-09-2005 12:24 AM

What to charge the customer, or what to pay the help? Or is it what to figure a 2 man crew should get done in a 8 hr day?

Maybe I'm tired, welcome aboard anyway!

dman3434 02-09-2005 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by walldoc
What to charge the customer, or what to pay the help? Or is it what to figure a 2 man crew should get done in a 8 hr day?

Maybe I'm tired, welcome aboard anyway!





Thanks for the welcome! Sorry I was not clear on my question. In order to see what a two man crew should get done in a day, give or take.

Thanks

housedocs 02-09-2005 09:02 AM

Depends on what they're doing and their skill level. Alot depends on what the layout is, if you've got alot of large walls big sheets, a good two man crew can easily run 4000-5000 s/f a day. That number could easily drop by 1/2 if your doing high lids or a broken up cookie cutter house that are more and more popular in metro areas. You also have to account for how well the place is framed, if you have to spend 2-3 hrs a day putting in nailers, shaving or shimming studs that'll cut your speed down alot too.

Just a general statistic, I'm fairly happy with 1500 to 2000 s/f per man a day. But I've seen days on lousy jobs when it was a full days work to get 1500 s/f up total.

dman3434 02-09-2005 10:02 AM

Walldoc,

So you would estimate 1800 sq ft per day per man? Basically given 1800 sq ft or 45 Sheets of the 10 x 4 per man per day, correct?

BobBuild 02-09-2005 05:44 PM

I just talked with the helpdesk at National Estimator and they estimated 500SF per day per man. They also agreed that the type of job residential vs commercial and the framing condition are big factors also.

housedocs 02-09-2005 07:16 PM

500 s/f a day :eek: So they only expect an experienced hanger to put up what.... 11 sheets a day! Last job we did 11,800, 5 1/2 days to hang all board, works out to 2145 s/f a day, so I guess I expect double their estimate.

BobBuild 02-09-2005 09:51 PM

Don't shoot the messenger. I just called them and thats what they told me. I still think $.25 per SF times the number of square feet and how hard a man wants to make a decent living for a days labor have got a lot to do with it.

dman3434 02-10-2005 08:22 AM

walldoc,

You said 11 and 1/2 days to hang on that job, how long did it then take to finish? Also is that 2145 Sq. Ft. per day per man or 2 man crew?

Thanks

housedocs 02-13-2005 01:46 AM

Two guys working together or seperate as needed, together averaged 2145 a day on that job. We work together to get all of the main lids up and the big wall sheets done, after that we seperate and finish knockin the job out. 11 1/2 days the house was done ready for paint, it was textured walls and ceilings.

pam 02-27-2005 06:02 PM

what is the going rate in central florida hang,tape and texturize bring it to a painting stage and how much to demo the old. i live in palm bay and some people are getting 55-75 per board just to hang and finish 12 dollars a board to demo. and one county south 150-200 per board. ouch!!! any one an average price?

Teetorbilt 02-27-2005 07:11 PM

That's about right. I'm getting $110 for demo, insulation, vapor barrier, hang and finish.

andrewtlocke 03-08-2005 11:06 AM

So, just to clear things up...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BobBuild
Don't shoot the messenger. I just called them and thats what they told me. I still think $.25 per SF times the number of square feet and how hard a man wants to make a decent living for a days labor have got a lot to do with it.

...at 1800 sqf/day/man, paid at a rate of $0.25/sqf, I could expect to pay someone $450/8-hour day? That's $56.25/hour. That doesn't seem correct. 1800 sqf/day is 45 sheets of 4x10 board/day, which is 5.625 sheets/hour, which means that I'm paying $10/sheet to hang. Well, $10/4x10 sheet doesn't sound that bad, but $56.25/hour sounds way too high!

...okay, using the same method, at 500 sqf/day/man, paid at a rate of $0.25/sqf, I could expect to pay someone $125/8-hour day. That's $15.63/hour. That seems right. 500 sqf/day is 12.5 sheets of 4x10 board/day, which is 1.5 sheets per hour, which means I'm still paying $10/4x10 sheet to hang. 1.5 sheets/hour seems pretty dang slow. I definitely don't want to pay someone $15-$16/hour to hang 1-2 sheets. What the heck are they doing with their time? I think that $/sqf rate has to come down some.

Let's use a lower $/sqf rate, like $0.15/sqf. 500 sqf/day/man, paid at a rate of $0.15/sqf, I could expect to pay someone $75/8-hour day. That's $9.38/hour. That seems a little too low, but if one guy hangs even three sheets per hour, their hourly rate shoots up to $18/hour. 3 sheets/hour is 24 sheets/day (of 4x10), which is 960 sqf/day, which seems reasonable.

So, at $0.15 - $0.20/sqf, it really is up to the installer to decide how much money they want to make. The faster they install (with the least rework), the quicker the job gets done, the more jobs the company can do, the more money everyone makes. I see. Pretty good formula. :Thumbs:

Does this make sense to the more experienced guys out there? Is $0.15 - $0.20/sqf below industry averages? I'm just starting out here, so any help is much obliged.

housedocs 03-10-2005 09:36 AM

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If you're making .15 to .20 that's in the range that most of the large firms are paying. Volume is how they make up the difference between what they pay hangers and finishers. If you work for one of these guys, you don't have much say on what kind of work or conditions you have to accept. If the boss says hang it or finish it, you do it or you find other employment.

andrewtlocke 03-14-2005 10:34 AM

...but we're really talking about two separate processes...
 
...which should mean separate labor rates designated for each one. One for hanging; one for taping. So, say a guy hangs 1000 sqft/day at a rate of $0.15/sqft, that's $150 a day. Not bad. But say the same guy also comes back and tapes all of his previously hung board. How does this side of the process get figured into his pay? I know there are different answers to this question, such as paying an hourly rate or figuring it again by total sqft finished, etc. How do these two separate processes come together in terms of what a hanger/finisher might expect to be paid?

Thanks.

housedocs 03-22-2005 05:40 PM

Most big outfits that solely do drywall and metal stud work employ hangers, finishers, and in alot of cases texture guys. I can train a guy to be a decent hanger in just a job ro two, finishing is a whole seperate animal, you can show a guy the proper techinques pretty quick, but it takes a while for them to be any good at it and do it at a decent pace. As I've stated somewhere around here before, here in my area the large firms are bidding new homes in the range of .72 to .79 for the whole ball of wax, hang, finish, and materials for new homes with standard 8'-9' lids. Rates go up with high work.

imahanger 04-07-2005 05:51 PM

where i live in s/w utah i get .12 for 8' jobs to .20 for the "ugly" jobs to hang + $10/arch. tapers get about the same but are paid for bead. a good 2 man crew can get up 5000 sqft on a 8' .12 job i wouldnt call it easy. that is $300 per man per day. it is harder to make that kind of money on the jobs that are harder to hang even with the higher sqft rate. i would say $150 to $200 per day.

Daddyoh2008 10-27-2008 02:20 PM

Drywall repair or installation
 
Most of the drywall work that I do is repairs. (Anybody else experience holes caused by angry teenagers?) Usually this is in connection with a Home Inspection Correction list when people are selling a home. I'm the guy that repairs or replaces faucets, outlets, doors, garage door openers, toilets, holes in the walls, and hopefully paints the entire house.
In everything but painting, I charge an hourly rate, that works out to ~$300/day. For painting we just give a quote.
For drywall repairs, any hole or damage larger than what you can cover using a metal/mesh plate, I figure I'm going make several trips to the house (assuming that's all the customer needs) to get the repair finished and paint ready. I don't care how "fast" the mud is, I'm not standing around all day with a fan on the repair. I've got other jobs to do while that happens.
My rate has gone up in recent times, and it may have topped out. But I figure a repair requiring a 1/4 sheet of drywall and some texture matching after is going to run in the $150 to $200 range. More holes, less $ per hole.
Is anyone out ther of a similar mind?

JumboJack 10-27-2008 08:05 PM

Holy 3 1/2 year old post Batman!

AARC Drywall 10-27-2008 08:59 PM

my crews for boarding average 2500 to 3000 per day...at $.15 per bf...the main guy pays his helper...out of that .15 per bf.
My taping crews average about 200 to 2500 bf day on average. which means a 10000 bf house in approx 5 days, keeping in mind nothing to fancy, maybe a vault...but thats a bout it. The tapers are making approx...250 a day...at 5 days...some make more, but that is an average.

J

Preacher17 10-27-2008 10:02 PM

my boarder gets .50 bf. tapers varey from .30-.50 bf or around $20 hour

mud dog 10-28-2008 07:10 PM

AARC and Preacher- are your tapers paying for the mud/bead/tape or do you and how many guys are in your taping crews?

d's 10-28-2008 09:59 PM

Geez Preacher can I come board for you! At .50/bf doing 2500bf per day works out to $1250 a day. i could pay a skilled labourer $250 and keep $1000 for myself. Sounds alot better than boarding for AARC:w00t:

I'm thinking the difference is that Preacher is paying a subcontractor to handle all aspect of the job like measuring and ordering materials, providing own tools, insurance, etc... hence the higher rate.

AARC probably has his guys on his crew and is managing the whole job himself and giving his guys a sqf price instead of an hourly to keep them productive.

I'm moving in that direction as well. Even though my boarding subs get .35-.45 and save me alot of headaches I'm thinking it would be more profitable to train up my own guys and pay them an hourly or lower sqf rate. They'd have to do alot more than 500bf/day though!

D'S

AARC Drywall 10-28-2008 10:36 PM

we pay for the materials, and usally there is only one guy on a taping outfit...not sure why, but they dont want to train anyone...
thus the shortage.

I have my own guys on crews, that way i can manage the whole thing....d's has it about right...i can point them in the direcetion i want them to go....leave them to complete the job..help out if i want, visit other contractors, scare up more work..babysit the tapers, and make sure things are on schedual...and if i get some spare time take on a small job for myself...(insurance work $$$$)

J

Preacher17 10-28-2008 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mud dog (Post 522752)
AARC and Preacher- are your tapers paying for the mud/bead/tape or do you and how many guys are in your taping crews?

nope its supplied along with scafoling

Quote:

Originally Posted by d's (Post 522891)
Geez Preacher can I come board for you! At .50/bf doing 2500bf per day works out to $1250 a day. i could pay a skilled labourer $250 and keep $1000 for myself. Sounds alot better than boarding for AARC:w00t:

I'm thinking the difference is that Preacher is paying a subcontractor to handle all aspect of the job like measuring and ordering materials, providing own tools, insurance, etc... hence the higher rate.


AARC probably has his guys on his crew and is managing the whole job himself and giving his guys a sqf price instead of an hourly to keep them productive.

I'm moving in that direction as well. Even though my boarding subs get .35-.45 and save me alot of headaches I'm thinking it would be more profitable to train up my own guys and pay them an hourly or lower sqf rate. They'd have to do alot more than 500bf/day though!

D'S

its a subcontractor price but sometimes I do the measureing and ordering other times he does it... Its way easier to just pay One guy then to pay a whole crew. Save on Tax.....

madrywall 11-23-2008 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AARC Drywall (Post 522076)
my crews for boarding average 2500 to 3000 per day...at $.15 per bf...the main guy pays his helper...out of that .15 per bf.
My taping crews average about 200 to 2500 bf day on average. which means a 10000 bf house in approx 5 days, keeping in mind nothing to fancy, maybe a vault...but thats a bout it. The tapers are making approx...250 a day...at 5 days...some make more, but that is an average.

J

What do you consider cheap? 1/2 of the cost of Materials?

Mike

madrywall 11-23-2008 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewtlocke (Post 20281)
...at 1800 sqf/day/man, paid at a rate of $0.25/sqf, I could expect to pay someone $450/8-hour day? That's $56.25/hour. That doesn't seem correct. 1800 sqf/day is 45 sheets of 4x10 board/day, which is 5.625 sheets/hour, which means that I'm paying $10/sheet to hang. Well, $10/4x10 sheet doesn't sound that bad, but $56.25/hour sounds way too high!

...okay, using the same method, at 500 sqf/day/man, paid at a rate of $0.25/sqf, I could expect to pay someone $125/8-hour day. That's $15.63/hour. That seems right. 500 sqf/day is 12.5 sheets of 4x10 board/day, which is 1.5 sheets per hour, which means I'm still paying $10/4x10 sheet to hang. 1.5 sheets/hour seems pretty dang slow. I definitely don't want to pay someone $15-$16/hour to hang 1-2 sheets. What the heck are they doing with their time? I think that $/sqf rate has to come down some.

Let's use a lower $/sqf rate, like $0.15/sqf. 500 sqf/day/man, paid at a rate of $0.15/sqf, I could expect to pay someone $75/8-hour day. That's $9.38/hour. That seems a little too low, but if one guy hangs even three sheets per hour, their hourly rate shoots up to $18/hour. 3 sheets/hour is 24 sheets/day (of 4x10), which is 960 sqf/day, which seems reasonable.

So, at $0.15 - $0.20/sqf, it really is up to the installer to decide how much money they want to make. The faster they install (with the least rework), the quicker the job gets done, the more jobs the company can do, the more money everyone makes. I see. Pretty good formula. :Thumbs:

Does this make sense to the more experienced guys out there? Is $0.15 - $0.20/sqf below industry averages? I'm just starting out here, so any help is much obliged.

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Lionheart27 11-26-2008 08:49 PM

Drywall Hanging
 
Hey

I don't want to cause any bumps but where do you guys get off saying any work other than general labour demo should be $10/hr. Thats a travesty iin this business. An assistant maybe on a small job. I myself being a contractor would not pay any less than $15/hr to a labourer, nor a drywall hanger. If your talking .10-.15 a square than thats 4 (4x8) sheets/hr in my book. 8 for two men

That translates to 2048 sq ft in an 8 hr day. You have to consider duct work, beads(outside corners), electrical including pot lights. Plus you want the job done right not corner or butt joints or any other problems.

Professional work gets professional results and more work from clients.

Isn't always nice to be shimming and reworking the framing for drywall installation. Please keep in mind folks sometimes we do this out of courtesey(sp) just to get the job done.

Older homes are always going to be a retro fit to make it work. Plaster walls are old school and cover alot of mistakes. Know your platform before you get into a job. Most likely older homes walls will never be straight do to settling of foundation.

Sorry to drift off topic a bit but alot of people don't think throught the project before taking it on.

24" seems to be the standard before they brought in the 2x6 legislation for rafters. Yes. I did a project where the original rafters are 2x4 and are not standard anymore.

My Rant

cheers

duker 07-04-2012 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dman3434 (Post 16800)
Walldoc,

So you would estimate 1800 sq ft per day per man? Basically given 1800 sq ft or 45 Sheets of the 10 x 4 per man per day, correct?

Holy you ppl must be getting old, or something, 1800 sq ft a day for one man he's not gonna make no money, iv been tapin for 8 yrs now just by my self i can do up to 8500 sq ft a day, with two ppl knowing what thier doing they should be able to do double that.


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