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ronm1974 02-28-2009 10:19 AM

Durabond or mud?????
 
Ok so here is my question. usally when i have to do a patch job i will go blue mud because it shrinks and sucks the tape in. then durabond 90 so i can hopefully get two coats on in a day, then a top coat of blue.
My question is the stuff just doesnt dry fast enough which means i make multiple trips back to the job for 30 minutes of work. Does anyone have any advice????????

Paulie 02-28-2009 10:25 AM

Insead of 90min switch to 20min durabond. Make your final skim coat tight.:thumbsup:

ronm1974 02-28-2009 10:26 AM

What durabond all the way thru

Paulie 02-28-2009 10:36 AM

I do. Especially for a patch job. The tape coat has to be soupy though if your useing paper tape. I've had trouble when I'm not fast enough and the mud starts setting up, the tape will bubble.

ronm1974 02-28-2009 10:44 AM

ok you know thats kinda what i was thinking it helps to hear someone else say it. what about plastering it even if the walls are taped. just to make it go faster, but im no plaster so their for id have to learn.

CrpntrFrk 02-28-2009 11:02 AM

20min mud is for rookies...you need 5min mud. By the time your mixing up another pan of mud, the stuff on the wall is ready for another coat.:thumbsup:

Paulie 02-28-2009 11:04 AM

If you haven't worked with plaster before I wouldn't mess with it. If you want to go faster they sell 5min. although be prepared to have it hardening up in the mix bucket. I just did a ceiling patch job about 32sqft used 20min for everything including lots of floating. Finished with green top thined out with water and dishsoap. Sanded next morning, had 10 man hours total including setup and cleanup. Some of these guys would say that's to long but I make a living.:shifty:

ronm1974 02-28-2009 11:11 AM

Dishsoap ive never heard of that. Water ive heard of dishsoap, nope never....

silvertree 02-28-2009 11:15 AM

I do the dishsoap in the topping mix after 2 coats of 20. I carry a heat gun and I'm out in an hour if all goes well. Started doing drywall repairs many years ago and got good at it. It was impossible to get a repair guy to do the small stuff. Anything over a kitchen or bath I sub to a drywall guy. I carry 20-45-90 and a heat gun.

neolitic 02-28-2009 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulie (Post 622963)
I do. Especially for a patch job. The tape coat has to be soupy though if your useing paper tape. I've had trouble when I'm not fast enough and the mud starts setting up, the tape will bubble.

I've been meaning to ask,
I was told long ago, to wet paper tape
with DuraBond, have been ever since.
Usually for a patch I use mesh tape,
but wonder, is wetting the the paper
just an old wives tale?

BTW, EasySand is good for your final coat. :thumbsup:

ronm1974 02-28-2009 11:19 AM

Im wondering.........What does the dishsoapm do?

Paulie 02-28-2009 11:23 AM

Yeah a guy showed me that one time after I always ended up with air bubbles in my final coat. Plus it makes your mud smell good.:laughing:

As far as 5min goes and being a rookie, I guess we all can't be drywall superstars. I've found I usually have to do a lot of floating which takes some time to get right. 20min works out right for this rookie.

ronm1974 02-28-2009 11:29 AM

So the dishsoap is for the air bubbles. I think you guys are f-in whith me. Here i go puting dishsoap in forget about it.:no:

Paulie 02-28-2009 11:31 AM

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my 10 man hours included lots of setup, it was a dining room with lots of antiques, tear out old plaster, cut and hang 3/8"s drywall, tape, mud and sand, clean and mop.

pictures of dustfree setup, takes time.

ronm1974 02-28-2009 11:35 AM

What do you have a vacume in that box?

Brocktologist 02-28-2009 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronm1974 (Post 623011)
Im wondering.........What does the dishsoapm do?

If you use dishsoapm the mud will bubble up and fall off the wall. Don't fall for it!!!;)

neolitic 02-28-2009 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ronm1974 (Post 623020)
So the dishsoap is for the air bubbles. I think you guys are f-in whith me. Here i go puting dishsoap in forget about it.:no:

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Paulie 02-28-2009 11:47 AM

bought a squrrel cage and motor on craigs list, mounted it in that box then pipe it out the window. It creats negitive air pressure and the dust does'nt migrate.


I've used soap for years, never had a call back.

[email protected] 02-28-2009 11:57 AM

If 5 minute goes off too fast for you, try using hot water in your 20. Not boiling, but about 90-100 F. Or even dirty water from your clean up bucket. Takes some experimentation. And the soap works, but it does burn your eyes when you sand. Mesh tape is quicker on one-trip repairs.

The only problem with using all hot mud is -- tends to swell instead of shrink over time and possibly shows up through the paint weeks later. JMO

Paulie 02-28-2009 12:07 PM

I don't know what you're saying, the 20 will set faster with hot water/dirty?


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