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Old 04-23-2014, 09:40 PM   #21
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Ya ya. Its all our fault. It has nothing to do with your new rock... Thanks
That's what there trying to shove down our throats!!! Like we were born yesterday and don't no what we are doing? That's the best they could come up with is wet lumber? Then how in the hell do explain it happening in ever rehab, remodel, and patch job we do? The lumber has been dry for year guineas! Nice try....
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Old 04-23-2014, 09:49 PM   #22
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I cut into some usg ultra light weight a few weeks ago and found a silver dollar size hole in it. Just paper on both sides.


I got some gold 5/8th today. That felt a lot heavier than the certainteed we usually use. It snapped and rasped really nice. I might make a switch.
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Another problem that has been noted is with the painters. When finished painted looks good, go back a few months later looks like crap. Seems this junk aborbs lots more paint.
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This stuff is junk in so many ways! Manufacturers dont want to fess up that there is a problem because the have spent to much money retooling there production plants for the lightweight drywall. It just as bad s the Chinese drywall if you ask me! Mark my word that there is something big that will come out of this. Lightweight is in thousands of jobs if not millions and it a ticking time bomb when it decides to show it ungly face with it problems. I think im going to start a blog on it and get everyone's stories and experiences with it.
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Old 04-27-2014, 09:27 AM   #25
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Agreed we have had horrible luck with this stuff too! High shoulders have costs me so many hours it's not funny. I don't know where you live but our main problem with these popped screws in the field is the bib system insulation. Or when they spray a few inches of foam and add batts over that. The walls are over filled and the light weight board is to soft. If you screw it off like normal all looks just fine until u push with ur hands on the wall and every screw pushes out. If I can't talk the builder/home owner into doing the entire job with 5/8" we have to double tap the walls (screw field off again. Even then I warm them before I start the project that this can and will be an issue.
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Old 04-27-2014, 01:47 PM   #26
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The original problem in this situation is the insulation, not the drywall. If the cavity is overfilled, it makes no difference if you use 5/8 or not.
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The original problem in this situation is the insulation, not the drywall. If the cavity is overfilled, it makes no difference if you use 5/8 or not.
Correct! He is dealing with a different problem. I see this thread is getting a lot views since I started posting facts. Come on guys dont be shy I know there are plenty of seeing the same problems. So lets here them the more noise we make the faster things might get done.
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We have been having the same problems as well here in pa, the drywall finisher has had quite a few houses "pop" and had to repair. The screws arent' popping though, looks good until after painted and then the screws stand proud of the board, if you push on the board the screw isn't popped it doesn't move but the screws are proud of the board.

I don't think the problem is in the frame but the board is to wet. Does anyone know the perm rating of the new board compared to the old? The drywall soaks up moisture a lot more than the old stuff apparently. The way they are making the board makes it hold water because it is so porous.
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We have been having the same problems as well here in pa, the drywall finisher has had quite a few houses "pop" and had to repair. The screws arent' popping though, looks good until after painted and then the screws stand proud of the board, if you push on the board the screw isn't popped it doesn't move but the screws are proud of the board.

I don't think the problem is in the frame but the board is to wet. Does anyone know the perm rating of the new board compared to the old? The drywall soaks up moisture a lot more than the old stuff apparently. The way they are making the board makes it hold water because it is so porous.
I would guess you are correct that's why the painters are starting to see big problems with it.
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We have been having the same problems as well here in pa, the drywall finisher has had quite a few houses "pop" and had to repair. The screws arent' popping though, looks good until after painted and then the screws stand proud of the board, if you push on the board the screw isn't popped it doesn't move but the screws are proud of the board.

I don't think the problem is in the frame but the board is to wet. Does anyone know the perm rating of the new board compared to the old? The drywall soaks up moisture a lot more than the old stuff apparently. The way they are making the board makes it hold water because it is so porous.
Bingo! This is the problem I am talking about and im 100% sure lots of others are as well. But they havent caught on its a problem with the lightweight sheetrock and thy are blaming themselves and taking responsibility for the repairs. Just like I did for over a year and a half. I had a house/homeowner I did almost two years ago call me a few mouth back to come and take a look and my job. EVERY and I mean EVERY screw was sticking out of the walls and ceilings. Even shows thru the tape on flats and butt joints! And that when I realized there was a problem because I had already fixed and of them once the year before a few months after I rock it!
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We have been having the same problems as well here in pa, the drywall finisher has had quite a few houses "pop" and had to repair. The screws arent' popping though, looks good until after painted and then the screws stand proud of the board, if you push on the board the screw isn't popped it doesn't move but the screws are proud of the board.

I don't think the problem is in the frame but the board is to wet. Does anyone know the perm rating of the new board compared to the old? The drywall soaks up moisture a lot more than the old stuff apparently. The way they are making the board makes it hold water because it is so porous.
Bingo! This is the problem I am talking about and im 100% sure lots of others are as well. But they havent caught on its a problem with the lightweight sheetrock and thy are blaming themselves and taking responsibility for the repairs. Just like I did for over a year and a half. I had a house/homeowner I did almost two years ago call me a few mouth back to come and take a look and my job. EVERY and I mean EVERY screw was sticking out of the walls and ceilings. Even showed thru the tape on flats and butt joints! And thats when I realized there was a problem because I had already fixed all of them once the year before a few months after I rock it!
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A local rocker thinks the problem is with this Eco friendly "Green"glue. It seems this stuff has a longer cure rate ,expanding initially and then shrinking pulling the rock tight and causing the screws to appear to be popping.
When pressed at the screw there is no movement but the screw appears to be proud of the surface, we are eliminating glue to see if the results change.
Code calls for more field screws with no glue every 12" without glue 16" with glue, our local municipalities require a screw inspection prior to coating, they require 5 screws per stud in the field, so why glue?

Glue is used so fasteners can be fewer, with local codes we are eliminating glue.
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I just looked over USG how to install Sheetrock guide. REALLY 48 pages of what we are not doing correctly.
Funny how problems are always us installers. The manufacturers change products overnight and never test or inform us of any changes, it is business as usual with us being the fall guys.
They take zero responsibility for their lack of educating us as to their money saving changes and we are to blame.
I have been hanging and finishing rock for 30 years with zero problems, now all of a sudden I don't know what I am doing.
Lightweight Sheetrock ???
Green glue???
All of a sudden framing lumber that has always been to wet is too wet?
NOW US INSTALLERS ARE AT FAULT???
Oh "did you happen to read our installation manifesto".
It is Sheetrock, not a science project.
But it appears to be an "EXPERIMENT" WITH US CONTRACTORS AS THE PATSY'S.
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It's not the glue I don't use glue.
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It's not the glue I don't use glue.
Glue could be a factor . But not the only reason why.
I've seen pops on board that was glued and not glued.

The unglued board had tons of pops due to the amount of fasteners used.
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The original problem in this situation is the insulation, not the drywall. If the cavity is overfilled, it makes no difference if you use 5/8 or not.
I'm gunna argue this 5/8. Makes a huge difference. The new 1/2" is very soft and the screw sets long before it right to the wall. 5/8" is still solid and will suck down. I also believe that the screws showing after is a moisture issue it doesn't matter how many time you spot them they keep showing.
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Wow

Did not realize how much trouble this allegedly appears to be causing. Curious if any of my full time drywall buddies are dealing with this too.

I'll try to find out.
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We use gold bold no sag ceiling board for walls too. A few pounds heavier than standard board but man it can hold a fastener. You can tack up lids with 4 screws
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Wow

Did not realize how much trouble this allegedly appears to be causing. Curious if any of my full time drywall buddies are dealing with this too.

I'll try to find out.
Every finisher I know is going through this. We do a beautiful job finishing but once painted the trouble starts.
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And how do we explain to our clients that the rock we get is plagued with problems?
Wish the manufacturers cared...

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