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Old 04-03-2015, 05:45 PM   #61
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What does that even mean? This sounds like that scene in the movie Major League where they said "It's not a homerun, it's too high".
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Old 04-03-2015, 06:05 PM   #62
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I still don't see much other possibility than the mud under the tape staying wet, weakening the adhesion of the paint layer. To me, that's the only thing that fits.
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I still don't see much other possibility than the mud under the tape staying wet, weakening the adhesion of the paint layer. To me, that's the only thing that fits.

I don't know for sure what fits, but I see bare drywall where there used to be paint. Means the paint failed somehow right?

Not saying it's not our fault though.
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Not saying it's not our fault though.
I can't come up with a way it would be your fault, other than you agreed to patch it.
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This argument could go on forever, simple fact is the paint/primer failed for whatever reason. That shouldn't happen I don't care if you used contact cement. Not your fault but you should still fix it at no charge.
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Not your fault but you should still fix it at no charge.

Which we did.
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That tells me a lot about you.
It tells me about you. You like to dismiss the obvious here because you don't want to offend. You can't correct a problem if you can't recognize it. Result: problem continues. The problem wasn't the wipe or mesh. It was lack of setting mud. See those dry spots? There are areas where the tape is shredded and still adhering. This dismisses your theory completely. Where you see the drywall paper are areas that have no setting compound. It could have peeled, but I doubt it. The areas that did adhere shredded the paper. The set mud wasn't thick enough. Taping 101. You can't over wipe drywall tape to where the underneath is completely dry. Sorry, you are wrong. If you want to solve the problem you have to recognize it. You clearly don't. Sorry if it offends you. You are totally wrong and making professionals here look stupid. That don't jive with me. I know better.
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Is it possible that the patch piece was 5/8 and the existing was 1/2 inch? It looks like a heavy fill that was weak.
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Where you see the drywall paper are areas that have no setting compound.
According to the OP, that was existing, which was painted, and the paint is now gone in those areas - it peeled off taking the mud with it. Also according to the OP, the paper tape you see is on the patch they put in, so it's stuck to bare drywall.
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According to the OP, that was existing, which was painted, and the paint is now gone in those areas - it peeled off taking the mud with it. Also according to the OP, the paper tape you see is on the patch they put in, so it's stuck to bare drywall.

You sir, are correct.

In the past, we had some issues with wiping too tight. The whole deal of trying to not build up too much. We have learned from that but not sure what stage of learning we were in two years ago when this happened.
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I don't think it's wiped too tight. The tape stuck fine to the patch.

I'd say it's the mud under the tape keeping things moist long enough to break the bond. Makes the most sense to me.

Did the mud pull out if the screw holes when you pulled the tape?
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I don't think it's wiped too tight. The tape stuck fine to the patch.

I'd say it's the mud under the tape keeping things moist long enough to break the bond. Makes the most sense to me.

Did the mud pull out if the screw holes when you pulled the tape?

I think it was screwed farther back than the tape. I don't recall seeing screws.
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Sorry guys, but i am confused by what you mean with "wiped too tight".
I put 1/8-3/16 of mud, embed tape, wipe with 4" pulling majority of mud off. Tape has maybe 1/16 of mud left under it. Can you pull more mud off with excess force? Yes. But am i pulling too tight by leaving about the thickness of tape under? I have had instances before where next day some spots were not adhered along length, i figured it was not enough put on bedding or too much pressure but nothing recent.

My last job i used fibafuse and enjoyed it, seemed much easier to bed than paper.

As for moisture levels, i installed some large windows that i did drywall returns with no casings. While priming, i kept pulling the feathered mud off the pre-existing flat painted drywall. There i assumed either dirty/dusty or taking too much time to layoff the primer (i finish by pulling roller ceiling to floor for consistent stipple). This was in an addition built '89 or about. Mud was either easysand or greentop ap. now i try to apply and layoff as quick as possible, lol.

This is strange, i have seen lots of tape pull away but never pull paint from bare drywall. Seems like the tape gets wet, loosens mud but paint keeps top dry and tape separates from surface leaving a layer of mud with mud and paint still on top.
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It tells me about you. You like to dismiss the obvious here because you don't want to offend. You can't correct a problem if you can't recognize it. Result: problem continues. The problem wasn't the wipe or mesh. It was lack of setting mud. See those dry spots? There are areas where the tape is shredded and still adhering. This dismisses your theory completely. Where you see the drywall paper are areas that have no setting compound. It could have peeled, but I doubt it. The areas that did adhere shredded the paper. The set mud wasn't thick enough. Taping 101. You can't over wipe drywall tape to where the underneath is completely dry. Sorry, you are wrong. If you want to solve the problem you have to recognize it. You clearly don't. Sorry if it offends you. You are totally wrong and making professionals here look stupid. That don't jive with me. I know better.
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Sorry guys, but i am confused by what you mean with "wiped too tight".
I put 1/8-3/16 of mud, embed tape, wipe with 4" pulling majority of mud off. Tape has maybe 1/16 of mud left under it. Can you pull more mud off with excess force? Yes. But am i pulling too tight by leaving about the thickness of tape under? I have had instances before where next day some spots were not adhered along length, i figured it was not enough put on bedding or too much pressure but nothing recent.

My last job i used fibafuse and enjoyed it, seemed much easier to bed than paper.

As for moisture levels, i installed some large windows that i did drywall returns with no casings. While priming, i kept pulling the feathered mud off the pre-existing flat painted drywall. There i assumed either dirty/dusty or taking too much time to layoff the primer (i finish by pulling roller ceiling to floor for consistent stipple). This was in an addition built '89 or about. Mud was either easysand or greentop ap. now i try to apply and layoff as quick as possible, lol.

This is strange, i have seen lots of tape pull away but never pull paint from bare drywall. Seems like the tape gets wet, loosens mud but paint keeps top dry and tape separates from surface leaving a layer of mud with mud and paint still on top.
Pushing too much mud out from under the tape, "wiping to tight".
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I think it was screwed farther back than the tape. I don't recall seeing screws.
Look at the picture. Three black spots on the original drywall under where the tape would have been. I assumed that was the screws.
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Look at the picture. Three black spots on the original drywall under where the tape would have been. I assumed that was the screws.

Yes, that was screws on that particular end. Compound is gone.
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It tells me about you. You like to dismiss the obvious here because you don't want to offend. You can't correct a problem if you can't recognize it. Result: problem continues. The problem wasn't the wipe or mesh. It was lack of setting mud. See those dry spots? There are areas where the tape is shredded and still adhering. This dismisses your theory completely. Where you see the drywall paper are areas that have no setting compound. It could have peeled, but I doubt it. The areas that did adhere shredded the paper. The set mud wasn't thick enough. Taping 101. You can't over wipe drywall tape to where the underneath is completely dry. Sorry, you are wrong. If you want to solve the problem you have to recognize it. You clearly don't. Sorry if it offends you. You are totally wrong and making professionals here look stupid. That don't jive with me. I know better.
I have pulled tape off and it looks just like the photo...I happen because he did not mix the mud with a whip. working out of the bucket with out mixing it up is what I am going with

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