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Old 05-24-2015, 07:04 PM   #141
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My mix is roughly (just use shovels) 1:2.5 JBM, it gets hard but takes a good week. I give it a spray every day, even a few times a day at first, the first batch was done when it was still fairly cool, between 5-10c/40-50F during the day and a little less but not too close to freezing during the night, and damp too from the snow having just melted off the bricks, and the ground still being wet etc...that batch took over a week before it was cured enough that it could take a real spraying. the batch i did yesterday is pretty stiff but I'm sure if I popped a brick off the mortar in the frog would come back if I added water. I'm also sure that if I hit the joints with the hose on jet the joints would get eaten away pretty quick...but not the joints I did week before last
We used this mix back in school for our projects. After we finished with it and dissembled the brickwork, we take it off the brick with a single blow of the trowel (per side) and off to be recycled in the 2 man roll sieve. It smashed up pretty easy no matter how old it was and we screened it through the sieve which had a large vacuum hood to catch the dust.

The remaining product (powder) was housed in a block wall container and then wheeled over to the mixer as necessary to make new mud.

Off course during breakdown day, if the teacher left the shop for a awhile..."mortar fight', every man for himself

That stuff will leave nasty welts on your head if hit from afar
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Love that sawtooth\dogtooth detail. I tried to do it on my own chimney 20 some yeara ago, but I was inexperienced and pressed for time.
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What is dog tooth? Even when in upstate N.Y. we call it saw tooth. Never heard the dog tooth terminology. Just wondering if they are two different methods or the same, just different names?
Regional terms but interchangeable apparently.
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I thought one brick/header in one out was dog tooth. Bricks where corners are at 45°of wall every brick saw tooth?
I think what you're describing is dentils, like teeth. Common throughout architecture, wood working, plastering etc...
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We used this mix back in school for our projects. After we finished with it and dissembled the brickwork, we take it off the brick with a single blow of the trowel (per side) and off to be recycled in the 2 man roll sieve. It smashed up pretty easy no matter how old it was and we screened it through the sieve which had a large vacuum hood to catch the dust.

The remaining product (powder) was housed in a block wall container and then wheeled over to the mixer as necessary to make new mud.

Off course during breakdown day, if the teacher left the shop for a awhile..."mortar fight', every man for himself

That stuff will leave nasty welts on your head if hit from afar
If I take the mortar i laid a few weeks ago and throw it in a pail of water it wouldn't break down....unless I took a hammer to it. when i was in school we used just lime as well, but if more than a week went by we'd make a new mix. I wish I knew how to make videos, I've got a few blobs on the pad that are quite hard
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I think what you're describing is dentils, like teeth. Common throughout architecture, wood working, plastering etc...
British Wikipedia confirms my belief.
Dog tooth one header in one header projected out.
Saw tooth headers projected at 45° angle to the wall.
Had to call and confirm with my Dad. 55 year veteran retired out of local#1 Buffalo.
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Ibstock disagrees

dentils= alternate headers projected
dog tooth = bricks laid at 45* with the head exposed
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Glossary of British brick laying clearly calls each out as I stated. No big deal I guess we studied the British glossary in our line of masons. Kinda confusing how an encyclopedia wouldn't have the most accurate information?
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dentils= alternate headers projected
dog tooth = bricks laid at 45* with the head exposed
Exactly...

page 4....http://www.gobrick.com/portals/25/do...0notes/tn2.pdf

UK site...http://moodle.sbc.ac.uk/sharedConten...20Features.pdf
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Go to Home depot Web site for do it yourself masonry and type in saw tooth border then add that link to your next post? Better yet might want to inform them and other information sources that they are providing false information?
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We always called the ones at an angle a sawtooth, the alternating protrusions we always called a dental block....didn't know there was a fancy spelling for it until this thread.
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Different regions different terms. We had this discussion last year sometime with the hidden bond/secret bond/ clipped bond. Only thing that's important is that you know what's spec'd in the drawings and that you and the customer/GC/architect are all on the same page. For this project I am builder/customer/architect so I'm mostly on the same page with myself in many of the important matters...other matters not so much
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Since this is as good a thread to ask as any, where do I get the thermometer that can be built into the ovens?
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Do you have a store that specialises in grilling and barbecue etc...they should have one.

I think I'm going to get a heat gun, like they use in automotive. Fairly cheap at Princess Auto/Harbour Freight and you can get a reading of the walls, the floor the top of the dome whatever. Accurate as well
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The reality is that you only need a temperature reading while you learn to use the oven or to impress your friends. The cheapo IR gun is just fine for that.
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Go to Home depot Web site for do it yourself masonry and type in saw tooth border then add that link to your next post? Better yet might want to inform them and other information sources that they are providing false information?
I don't really care that much, I thought I'd post those links to show that other sources have other names for the same detail. Home Depot huh?
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Local terms do differ, but there is a specific language used by architects across the world to define certain architectural details. Note that I said "architectural" twice, since that is what we are discussing, an architectural detail. This question was already determined at least as far back as the first century, although I bet it goes back a millennia further at least.

Vitruvious said (Chapter V, Section 11), "...is apportioned so that the face of each dentil is half as wide as its height and the cavity of each intersection two thrids of this face in width". "Dentil" itself means "tooth", not "sawtooth".

The sawtooth detail does not go back so far, mostly being a function of Victorian brick detailing (the Romans almost always covered brick with stucco, so it wasn't normally used to create details), but prima facie, it most resembles the teeth of a sawblade)
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Local terms do differ, but there is a specific language used by architects across the world to define certain architectural details. Note that I said "architectural" twice, since that is what we are discussing, an architectural detail. This question was already determined at least as far back as the first century, although I bet it goes back a millennia further at least.

Vitruvious said (Chapter V, Section 11), "...is apportioned so that the face of each dentil is half as wide as its height and the cavity of each intersection two thrids of this face in width". "Dentil" itself means "tooth", not "sawtooth".

The sawtooth detail does not go back so far, mostly being a function of Victorian brick detailing (the Romans almost always covered brick with stucco, so it wasn't normally used to create details), but prima facie, it most resembles the teeth of a sawblade)
Not quite. Dogtooth is a very old style, and is applicable to ANY triangular projection in a series, usually in a moulding. Outside of brickwork it is commonly found as 2 or 4 flower petals or leaves coming to a point and projecting out like this. This definition say conical but others say triangular
http://www.finedictionary.com/Dog-tooth.html

The only way to do this with regular brick is to lay the brick at a 45
so maybe it's a sawtooth version of a dogtooth. Whatever


And a dentil is a dentil no matter the proportion. You can find dentils of varying proportions throughout architecture from ancient times to modern. Interesting to note that their occurence is most likely from the original Greek temples that were built of wood. the roof timbers were visible and looked like teeth. When the stone temples were built to mimic the wood ones the detail was called dentils
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I misunderstood, I thought we were talking about sawtooth VS dentil, not sawtooth VS dogtooth.
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Yeah, dentils being called dogtooth is interesting, I'd never heard of it but it's what it's called by some. A quick google search brings it up a few times

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