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Old 04-06-2016, 08:17 AM   #21
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Old 04-06-2016, 06:21 PM   #22
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Pretty cold start this morning and rain is expected to roll in this evening and tomorrow. We're expected to get up to 2" or so and it will be of the wind driven variety.

Speaking of winds, this is the 4th straight day of 30mph+ and quite frankly, i'm friggin' sick of it.

We had 60+ on Sunday and trees were down all over the place...I thought the winds of March were over

Anyhoot, I had to go see my accountant at 3pm today so I just buttoned up the rest of the chimney and wrapped it tightly so rain doesn't find my detached flashing.

Ahh, the Sucher boys are milling the streets today...these guys are local and get most of the Muni street paving contracts, they did my own street about two years ago.

There's goes my nice quiet day!
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It's going down in the upper 20's again tonight and with the heavy rain coming, I wrapped this puppy tight. Hell, with those temps, it'll starty as snow if it comes overnight.

Thank God for stucco tape. I wrapped that flue right to the tip and installed the old cap for now.

Next up, flashing and shingle repair. Then I'll be moving on to lathing this thing up and getting the base on.

Here's the smoke pipe configuration in the basement I'll be dealing with come liner time...
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The only thing you forgot when wrapping that puppy up was the bow.
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Whatcha got the outriggers on for?
Funny i was wondering the same thing, usually if i put outriggers on that i dont need it's because I brought them, didnt need them and i dont want a scrapper stealing them so i put them up high so if they do steal them they have to work for em'. lol

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Old 04-07-2016, 10:04 PM   #26
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There is no inspection for installing new gas furnaces/water heaters into old masonry chimneys here. It seems solely up the the hvac/plumber to know his chit.
This one needs mechanical permit for the liner inspection, a building permit with plans for the chimney and a stucco permit with lath inspection prior to scratch. Also needs final to confirm chimney height which usually on take three seconds...towns around here have pretty strict enforcement and generally charge 45 clams per thousand of market value... swear, they're the real mob!
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This one needs mechanical permit for the liner inspection, a building permit with plans for the chimney and a stucco permit with lath inspection prior to scratch. Also needs final to confirm chimney height which usually on take three seconds...towns around here have pretty strict enforcement and generally charge 45 clams per thousand of market value... swear, they're the real mob!
Interesting, cause I wa going to mention that it doesn;t look like that chimney is 2' 11" over the ridge. Or do you only have the 2' over 10' rule
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I did get a few courses up before I caved Overall, I would have welcomed a day off.

Truth be told, that brick would have hurt like hell and probably put me in a coma...lord knows, one of you guys would have had to cover for me until I woke up

Close enough, I'm outta here...
Not trying to be picky here, but do you just rely on caulk to seal the flashing instead of counter flashing laided into the brick as you are going up?
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Not trying to be picky here, but do you just rely on caulk to seal the flashing instead of counter flashing laided into the brick as you are going up?
Depends on the job and what people are willing to pay for, sometimes they receive a full dpc tray, sometimes I'll lay soakers in along the way or sometimes I'll saw-cut and embed the counter.

This particular job is receiving a breathable, acrylic topped, hard coat stucco system which will be pretty ironclad in terms of water penetration.

The fiber mud crown will also be treated with a flexible seal coat and in addition, the liner install will squash any internal moisture issues.

I been battling rain and high winds on this job that just won't quit...I left the old flashing intact only so I could cover over it easier in the interim.

Today was no different, we had snow squalls and some wet precipitation early in combo with winds that were 30/40 mph sustained...tomorrow were expected several inches of wet snow and more rain on Monday.

I did battle the elements long enough today to pull up that mucked up shingle area behind the chimney and got the new flashing installed.

Looks like the Sucher boys are back at it today as well getting started with their paving project.
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Interesting, cause I wa going to mention that it doesn;t look like that chimney is 2' 11" over the ridge. Or do you only have the 2' over 10' rule
We use the 3/2/10 rule and I'm a little over 2ft above the peak... in addition, the chimney is 3'3" above the roof at the high side and my chimney liner extends this measurement another 6 inches due to the type cap I use...plenty high enough for my inspection.
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Ok. Our code here is 2'/10' but if the ridge is within 10' it has to be 2'11" above the ridge.
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So even though my liner supply company is 125 miles away in Scranton, PA, a quick call before noonish and my stuff arrives at the shop or jobsite the very next day. It's one stop shopping and can be done over the phone during business hours or the net at anytime...Their pricing is great, the people are great and their product is great...That's my little kudo's to you Olympia!

Anyway, I was sorting through my delivery earlier to make sure everything is good and there's no damage. As usual, everything looks fine except one missing screw for the cap...probably vibrated off during shipping and slid through a crack in the box and more than likely inserted into somebodies tire right about now ...as long as it ain't mine, i'm good!

For those who aren't familiar with liners I've give you a little run down...buying them in kit form always saves money. You can swap out items like longer tee snouts, connectors and caps and still get kit pricing along with their famous free shipping. You step outside the box and order short of minimums and you'll paying for shipping and usually a longer wait time.

Since I always install stainless no matter what fuel I'm dealing with, my mainstay is the 316TI units. Pretty sure all the accessories are 304 and this company utilizes band clamps for a quick and easy installation. That is, once you get it down the chimney and the bottom opened up. Since this will be a 5" x 30ft liner, I don't expect too many issues.

I'll normally drop a dummy section with an attached nose cone and rope and pull it through to make sure the liner has enough room with no obstructions. If that doesn't go down the customer is charged a set hourly fee in order to clear the path...sometimes this means literally cutting a hole somewhere along the stack to free things up.

For 5" and 5.5" this is usually not an issue, move up to 6" and all bets are off, they can be a real bear.

So here's a visual of the components I'll be using for this job...all the smoke pipe to both appliances will be replaced as well using 26ga. galvanized.
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Just wondering...why are you replacing the liner?
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Downsizing the flue to increase draft and to meet the btu inputs of the appliances...the existing oversized 8.5 x 8.5 flue is what is killing this chimney from within...This process will increase draw, lessen the acidic condensation and maximize appliance efficiency, all the while preserving the condition of the masonry chimney.
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Ive never put a liner in and never will, having it jam would be too much for my pea brain.
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Have you not been paying attention Dom?
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Here Dom...pretty much spells it out.

http://www.csia.org/homeowner-resour...y_Chimney.aspx
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C'mon J, you could get one down here...look, you can see daylight above.

Is that a piece of wood in there...sure looks it
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