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Old 12-14-2018, 12:58 PM   #1
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I'm putting a bid together for a client of mine and when we were discussing design, the idea of lowering the height of the existing fireplace surround came up. Is this something that is generally feasible to do, or is my time and effort better spent on other ideas? I had thought about packing out the wall above, but I'm hoping to leave the existing crown in tact.

They will be going with a gas insert and some type of stone surround, cabinets flanking either side. We discussed putting a TV above, thats part of the reasoning for lowering the brick if possible
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The face brick you see is just a veneer


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If I may ask...

From an opening itself, what the minimum distance required to any finished wall like drywall?

How about for gas fireplaces with the horizontal "non-combustible" stud or header?
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Looked to me to be full brick, but I don't know what tricks you masons use! Would full brick be veneered over block?

House was built late 80s

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If I may ask...

From an opening itself, what the minimum distance required to any finished wall like drywall?

How about for gas fireplaces with the horizontal "non-combustible" stud or header?
I believe 6" to the sides for combustible materials

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I think you could get in there gently with an air chisel, if the homeowner insists that it be done. I would expect it to take too much time for a minor change.
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Looked to me to be full brick, but I don't know what tricks you masons use! Would full brick be veneered over block?

House was built late 80s

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looks like a real masonry fire place.

could easily be full brick over the block fireplace structure.
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maybe let code guide you? From the pics it looks like 8 ft ceilings... ...
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Looked to me to be full brick, but I don't know what tricks you masons use! Would full brick be veneered over block?

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The face brick you see is simply a decorative face over the firebox consisting of the actual fireplace...Yes They are full size brick.

Are you asking to remove the top part of the red Facebrick to lower it down, leaving the firebox untouched? Like this?




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The face brick you see is simply a decorative face over the firebox consisting of the actual fireplace...Yes They are full size brick.

Are you asking to remove the top part of the red Facebrick to lower it down, leaving the firebox untouched? Like this?




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Yeah, just looking to remove a couple rows at the top. The fire box itself would remain intact

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Shouldn’t be any issues with that


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Finally getting ready to sign this project, homeowner found a picture of the fireplace while the house was being built
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I'm on a similar job, in a 100 year old house. Removing the lath and plaster to insulate. Cladding the brick with wonder board and granite, and building a new surround. Paint grade MDF....
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This one is only 30 years old, I bet there's fewer surprises with your project though!

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Take note how high the damper is, usually not good to get down to close to that area, or a couple courses above the top of it.
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You could under pin the leaky chimney(water penetrating the sloped cap and pot?) eliminate the raised hearth.....tacky IMHO, and rebuild the roughness 12" lower to the floor....

Probably cheaper to demo and do over.

The craftsmanship is not apparent from the wonder bonds????? and saggy lintel, one more $ for another 1/16th of inch of thickness....

I don't think there would be enough masonry between the fire and the wood framing/mantel if two or three course were demoed IMO.

I'd review Vestal's masonry firebox minimums prior to reducing any masonry coursing or increasing any heat exposure to combustibles.

The dampener appears to be a course or two higher then needed, making it harder to safely lower the mantel.

I'd probably used insulated mulitwyth masonry above the mantel instead of wood framing out of general paranoia...

AS poorly built as the visible portion is, I'd definitely do fiber optic inspection of the flues and any possible cracks hidden by the house walls where the chimney joggs over. Before spending ANY $.
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Which fireplace are you referring to?

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I posted one and tang posted his project.

The one I'll be working on is getting an insert and liner run through the chimney, so no real need to tear down the existing and rebuild

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